Bush Blows It Big Time

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AAAintheBeltway, Jan 7, 2004.

  1. cdbern

    cdbern

    Oh yeah? You Native American? If so, which tribe?
     
    #71     Jan 9, 2004
  2. What is the relevance of your question?

     
    #72     Jan 9, 2004
  3. cdbern

    cdbern

    Rogue

    Just wondering if you were speaking as a Native American is all.
     
    #73     Jan 9, 2004
  4. Does it matter who speaks for the Native Americans?

    Would the comments be any less true if spoken by an African American, an Italian American, an Irish American, or a Native American?

     
    #74     Jan 9, 2004
  5. Pabst

    Pabst

    They were just a bunch of savages getting juiced on fire water and scalping young families. Now they're casino moguls.:)
     
    #75     Jan 9, 2004
  6. cdbern

    cdbern

    LOL Rogue, you're just looking for a fight huh?

    I always thought it a sign of arrogance to think we knew what it was like to be "whatever" if in fact we ourselves were not.
     
    #76     Jan 9, 2004
  7. More uninformed racist remarks from Pabst.

    It becomes tedious. Such is his good "Christian" sense of humor.

    Read "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" and then joke about it.

    Had your ancestors been treated like that and felt such a sense of powerlessness, you would be drunk on your ass most of the time too.

    Here is a brief review of the book:

    Review by Randall Bouza

    This book brings to light, and places front and center, possibly the most significant event in American history. That is, the genocide and displacement of the native inhabitants of what was, or would become, the United States of America, thus enabling the formation of the worlds most powerful republic. It is difficult to imagine how most readers, particularly those who are American citizens, would not have their personal perspective or opinion altered, in some small measure at least, by the historical events described within.

    Dee Brown makes prodigious use of footnotes and bibliography, from Congressional Records to U.S. Army treaties. The author documents the scope and breadth of racism held by most whites at the time toward the brown skinned natives, by people such as President Abraham Lincoln, to General Phillip "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" Sheridan.

    You will learn how Congress gives the movement a politically expedient and identifiable name, calling it Manifest Destiny. Vestiges of this philosophy continue today. For example, what percentage of American's give little or no second thought when considering the idea that the nation most certainly should extend from "sea to shining sea".

    The reader learns of various significant Indian battles, and defeat, which took place across the land. Such as the Black Hills, Paha Sapa, an island of conifer forest amongst the vast grasslands of the high plains, and held sacred by the Sioux.

    How ironic it is that this desperately defended Indian ground once lost, is later to be even further "desecrated" when it among all places is chosen as the site for which the massive likeness of 4 white leaders shall be carved into the very heart of the revered mountains. (Mt. Rushmore) To the reader, the words Sand Creek, Red Cloud, and Ghost Dance will acquire a new lifelong meaning, which is probably as it should be.

    This captivating and heart wrenching book concludes with a final scene taking place shortly after the massacre at Wounded Knee. It is a cold December day in South Dakota. Dead and injured Indians are being laid to rest along the straw covered floor of an Episcopalian church. A banner over the pulpit reads, PEACE ON EARTH, GOOD WILL TO MEN.



     
    #77     Jan 9, 2004
  8. I sincerely doubt your initial question to me was innocent fact finding of relevant information, but rather some fishing expedition to minimize the truth of the comments.

    We cannot know what it was like to live through the holocaust directly, nor slavery in this country, no the genocide of the native Americans at the hands of the white men, but non the less we can keep the memory alive of the dark side of human nature, and our own past history of barbarism in the name of "God and Country."

    Americans like to perpetuate this myth that we are, and always were the good guys, but the fact is that we are much less saints than sinners in much of our history.

    No one rationalizes their self interest better than Americans.


     
    #78     Jan 9, 2004
  9. cdbern

    cdbern

    Actually and honestly it WAS an innocent fact finding question. Being of Native American heritage, I was curious (and perhaps a bit hopeful) that there were others here.

    Sorry if you misunderstood the intent of my question. I prefer to make peace not war.
     
    #79     Jan 9, 2004
  10. Pabst

    Pabst

    #80     Jan 9, 2004