Bush admits the global warming results from fossil fuels....

G8 leaders agree global warming is urgent problem

UN Framework Convention on Climate Change
Global warming is a “serious long-term challenge” requiring “resolve and urgency”, declared the Group of Eight countries on Friday.

Notably, US president George W Bush, who alone among G8 leaders has refused to sign up to the Kyoto Protocol to combat climate change, accepted the language in the document delivered from the heads-of-state meeting in Gleneagles, Scotland.

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http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7644

nitro

 

Sea life in peril as oceans turn acid

THE oceans are gradually becoming more acidic as they soak up the excess carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere. The change could be catastrophic for marine ecosystems and for economies that rely on reef tourism and fishing - and there is no way to reverse it.

That is the conclusion of the first review looking at all the studies relating to the acidification of the oceans. It was commissioned from an international group of scientists by the Royal Society, the UK's national academy of science.

The rising level of CO2 in the atmosphere is what causes global warming. As the gas dissolves in the oceans, however, it is causing a quite different problem by forming carbonic acid.

The seas, which are naturally alkaline with an average pH of 8.2, act as a "buffer" that can soak up vast quantities of CO2 with little change in acidity. But levels of CO2 ...

The complete article is 830 words long.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18725074.300

 

Another in a long line of responses generated by Zzeal10 when he cannot make an effective counterpoint.

Typical...

 

Arguments from personal anectodal experiences by hapless....

ROTFLMAO....

 

Emotional....

What first-hand experience do you have with the Sierra Club?

 

Say I was the president of the local chapter, would that make a difference?

 

Certainly. Unlike you, I am willing to consider others' experiences that run contrary to my own.

 

Consider that your own personal experience is just that, your own peraonal experience, not some objective valid scientific study.

It is neither scientific, nor anything upon which to make a logical arugment that would apply to a situation universally.

If you want to say you have your opinion, and I say I have mine, that's pretty normal.....

But both are expresions of opinions formed on the basis of personal experiences.

Mine is based on watching the president, who is Evangelical in nature, roll back programs that protect the environment, and each and every time putting corporate profits ahead of environmentalism.

 

You call "watching the president" a "personal experience"? LOL!

I know it's difficult for you, but try to concentrate on the topic at hand: what "personal" experience do you have with the Sierra Club? "Watching" them doesn't count...

 

I prefer not to argue from the type of isolated unproved anecdotes you do.

I prefer:


Watching the president roll back Clintons environmentalism, whatching Bush's head of the EPA resign in disgust, as this a personal experience that can be had by all:

Republican Governor’s Book Blasts Bush And Karl Rove
By Gordon Bishop (01/20/05)

There she was, Christine Todd Whitman, standing next to former Democrat President Jimmy Carter behind a wreath framing the head of terrorist Yasser Arafat at his funeral

Whatever happened to Republican Christie Whitman?

She’s now a “Democrat” – even possibly a “liberal!”

Whitman was a two-term Governor in the dominantly blue-state of New Jersey in the 1990s. She was the first female Governor of the Garden State.

Whitman was also the first to beat an incumbent Governor. Whitman knocked out Democrat Governor Jim Florio, who was a boxing champion in the Navy.

So how can such an ambitious woman who made history in New Jersey write a book trashing the George W. Bush Republican Party?

Easy. Whitman has crossed the line from conservative Republican lapdog of Bush to become a “modest” Republican.

So what’s Whitman’s problem?

She blames President Bush and his political strategist (Karl Rove) for failing to bring more “blue states” into the Republican column.

In her new book, “It’s My Party Too: The Battle for the Heart of the GOP and the Future of America,” Whitman accuses the Republican Party of failing to reach out to “moderates” like herself.



Whitman writes that the Republican Party “at the national level is allowing itself to be dictated to by a coalition of ideological extremists – I call them social fundamentalists – groups that have claimed the mantle of conservatism and show no inclination to seek bipartisan consensus on anything.”


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"There can be no full conquest of the earth, and no real satisfaction to humanity, if large portions of the earth remain beyond his highest control," trumpeted Mormon hierarch and irrigator John Widtsoe-whose attitude was widely shared by other Christians and by the secular proponents of Manifest Destiny, the 19th-century's faith-tinged euphemism for conquest. Such invocations have led some environmentalists to cite biblical passages that seem to propound an anthropocentric worldview as grounds for dismissing Judeo-Christian religions. In doing so, they reflect the influence of the late historian Lynn White Jr.'s famous statement that "we shall continue to have a worsening ecologic crisis until we reject the Christian axiom that nature has no reason for existence save to serve man."

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There is little to suggest in recent elections that environmental concerns influenced the evangelical vote -- indeed, many members of Congress who receive 100 percent approval ratings from Christian advocacy groups get failing grades from environmental groups.

After the election last fall, leaders of the country's major environmental groups spent an entire day at a meeting in Washington trying to figure out how to talk to evangelicals, according to Larry Schweiger, president of the National Wildlife Federation. For decades, he said, environmentalists have failed to make that connection.

"There is a lot of suspicion," said Schweiger, who describes himself as a conservationist and a person of faith. "There are a lot of questions about what are our real intentions."

Green said the evangelicals' deep suspicion about environmentalists has theological roots.

"While evangelicals are open to being good stewards of God's creation, they believe people should only worship God, not creation," Green said. "This may sound like splitting hairs. But evangelicals don't see it that way. Their stereotype of environmentalists would be Druids who worship trees."

Another reason that evangelicals are suspicious of environmental groups is cultural and has its origins in how conservative Christians view themselves in American society, according to the Rev. Jim Ball, executive director of the Evangelical Environmental Network. The group made its name with the "What Would Jesus Drive?" campaign against gas-guzzling cars but recently shifted its focus to reducing global warming.

"Evangelicals feel besieged by the culture at large," Ball said. "They don't know many environmentalists, but they have the idea they are pretty weird -- with strange liberal, pantheist views."

Ball said that the way to bring large numbers of evangelicals on board as political players in environmental issues is to make persuasive arguments that, for instance, tie problems of global warming and mercury pollution to family health and the health of unborn children. He adds that evangelicals themselves -- not such groups as the Sierra Club or Friends of the Earth, with their liberal Democratic baggage -- are the only ones who can do the persuading.

"Environmental groups are always going to be viewed in a wary fashion," Ball said. "They just don't have a good enough feel for the evangelical community. There are landmines from the past, and they will hit them without knowing it."

Even for green activists within the evangelical movement, there are landmines. One faction in the movement, called dispensationalism, argues that the return of Jesus and the end of the world are near, so it is pointless to fret about environmental degradation.