Bundesbank´s Weidmann:"ECB intervention would be violation of laws."

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by ASusilovic, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. "Economic crisis in natural law"... of course. Famine, plague, floods.

    "Has there EVER been a single form of government hasn't caused a mess"? The answer to that is mostly NO. (Maybe there is an exception or two, but that wouldn't refute the argument.)

    Government's PROPER function... is to set the framework of laws and enforce them to the equal justice of all.... not to have their manipulative fingers in EVERY FRICKIN' THING... like they do nowdays.

    There hasn't been all that much genuine "freedom" in the history of the world. It's mostly been about Kings, despots, and dictators imposing their personal greed upon their populace.

    The Founders gave us a shot at genuine personal and economic freedom. We had it for a while, but we've morphed into a form of "oligarchical despotism".
     
    #31     Nov 14, 2011
  2. Butterball

    Butterball

    That's not a fact. It's just your opinion.

    Explain how most of the worst (and longest!) economic downturns in the last 250 years occurred when governments' share of expenditures to GDP have been much lower.
     
    #32     Nov 14, 2011
  3. The ratings agencies do know. The mkt also knows. Moreover, KfW isn't an issue, as it has assets. Which means that it's sensible to classify KfW differently. Just like it's sensible to classify Reggione Campania (for example) debt different to that of the central govt of Italy.

    Again, IMHO, KfW isn't the first place to look to find off-balance sheet govt liabilities.
     
    #33     Nov 14, 2011
  4. STUPID SPEW... Do your own research. ON IGNORE!!
     
    #34     Nov 14, 2011
  5. Again, not that I disagree in spirit with your views of the proper role of government...

    BUT, none of what you've said actually leads one to conclude that government is the cause of recessions rather than being a co-actor in the grand schemes of our economic history with varying burden of blame.

    Least we forget, our revered founding fathers (and I'm not being sarcastic here) were not without their own economic fiasco and difficulties of their own making.

     
    #35     Nov 14, 2011
  6. The government never purposefully "causes" recessions.... in fact, they live in PANIC of them.. feared they will be held accountable at the next election.
     
    #36     Nov 14, 2011
  7. C6H12O6

    C6H12O6

    It's easy to answer "assets, or toxic assets ?" since we are talking about a bank managed by politicians.... Anyway you know better than me that assets don't reduce the gross debt figure. Then, for instance Italy's debt, with real estates valued 500bln, state owned oil and energy companies, etc, should be not 120% but 60%.
    Italy for instance has something similar to KFW, it's called CDP (Cassa Depositi e Prestiti) but its debt goes into the gross national figure.
    So why Germany is allowed to conceal it ? ZeroHedge where are you ? :D

    And BTW, is there a chance UK is pulling similar tricks with nationalized banks ? But who cares, UK has a REAL Central Bank. :mad:
     
    #37     Nov 14, 2011
  8. Sure, I know about CDP as well... Point I am trying to make is that all govts are guilty of some "financial shenanigans" and all media reports the wrong figures. The mkts are generally well-aware of who has what where, including the assets.

    As to the UK, RBS and Lloyds are actually included in the national accounts. What isn't is the various PFI debt and that's one of the places where the the commonly reported numbers aren't quite reflecting reality. But the mkt, again, is relatively well-aware of this stuff.
     
    #38     Nov 14, 2011
  9. joneog

    joneog

    1) that's a correlation, not necessarily a cause
    2) econ contraction under a gold standard puts a cap on expenditures as revenues fall (large deficits are tough to fund without an eventual drain of gold reserves). It may be an effect rather than a cause
    3) theres been a secular shift in political philosophy from a classically liberal towards a more "progressive" policy of gov. spending that has driven up expenditures/gdp over the last century or so, independent of the business cycle. You'd have to normalize for this trend to make any type of historical comparison.
    4) currently expenditures/gdp are the highest they've been in 65 years and we're not exactly living in economic nirvana with 16% under-employment that hasnt improved much.

    also, the amount of expenditures is only one way the gov affects the economy: there's monetary policy, trade policy, tax policy, regulations, regime uncertainty etc.

    Not always true, the Volcker fed did in the early 80s.
     
    #39     Nov 14, 2011
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Sorry, had to take the old battle axe to the airport, otherwise I'd have replied sooner.

    I think you're right, the idea IS spread the love. But the Germans aren't going to give it up, not with Wiemar on their mind.
     
    #40     Nov 14, 2011