Bullrun begins today

Discussion in 'Trading' started by mysharona2, Jul 16, 2008.

  1. Yes, heavily over-sold! I agree.
     
    #11     Jul 17, 2008
  2. traders here can't even wait 1 day.





     
    #12     Jul 17, 2008
  3. LOL!!! I understand.
     
    #13     Jul 17, 2008
  4. a decline in price.

    it took 6 months just to drop 8% in the market

    you need to be heavily leveraged short positions to make any serious profit or return on your capital for position traders.

    it's call a relief rally.


     
    #14     Jul 17, 2008
  5. I agree! I hope for a two-three week run, but that's not what I'm seeing right now.:(

    I'm no longer DCA'ing down anymore as of last quarter LOL! I'm buying more puts when we rally, and taking some money off the table 'if' we do rally for the next 2-3 weeks. This mess isn't over by a longshot, and I wonder if the next bottom is going to stay "a bottom and/or flat" for some time unless Crude heads back down to $70-$80.:eek: I don't see crude doing that.:(

    Yes, this market is heavily over-sold. Long term buyers who have a time horizon of at least 3-5 years should be happy... In 3-5 years they'll be very happy with the returns they get if they'll buy over-sold equities now, and keep their emotions in check during "the flight."
     
    #15     Jul 17, 2008
  6. Xuanxue

    Xuanxue

    Business, deflationary/inflationary and emotional cycles that have stood the test of time since before the FED aside, I'm left to wonder if a hitherto evolution of fundamental analysis has yet to be found and if we're not in the midst of a paradigm shift where one is direly needed.

    Floating monetary policy and quant analysis of the 70's and 80's failed; DCFs were of use before the market adapted in efficiency and relative forecasting is too easy to pad by tight-rope accounting acrobatics hiding debt and holdings not factored in shares outstanding.

    Neural network forecasting based on past price action and lagging technical analysis indicators is the next evolutionary advance in my opinion.

    I don't want to believe it, but the obvious screams that value investing is dated; and buying low hoping for prices to rise is neither investing or trading.

    All for what it's worth and it may not be worth squat.
     
    #16     Jul 17, 2008
  7. Yesterday's ESU8 trade from 1200 > 1236 and the re-test was textbook capitulation, IMO. A look at the XLF chart is all you need. This may be a bounce in a bear-market, but it's got legs to test 1275 if not 1300.

    XLF implied vols hit a previous peak of 62% on the BSC fiasco, but reached an ATH of 68% yesterday, nearly 2x the AIV. Banking flows dictate the action, so follow the bank vols.

    The action in XLF volty is screaming capitulation.
     
    #17     Jul 17, 2008
  8. JPM and Mellon report before the bell and Citibank tomorrow.

    Good chance market will bounce before resuming decline, based on reaction to extreme negative data last week. If the market couldn't capitualte on FNM, FRE and IndyMac its hard to envisage capitualtion on poor results from Citi.


    More bang for buck on the long side.
     
    #18     Jul 17, 2008
  9. Why do you even bother posting in the TRADING FORUM anymore???

    It's clear to everyone here that you don't do any TRADING.

    Enough already.
     
    #19     Jul 17, 2008
  10. capmac

    capmac

    GOOG should give the bulls a boost tomorrow...

    :D
     
    #20     Jul 17, 2008