Oh pullllease..... you need to get over your bias and use your head. Get a Dell T3400 off of their outlet site. The only real restriction is that you can't overclock. If that's a deal breaker, the don't buy Dell. Of course, they come with crap installed. Just do a fresh install of the OS as soon as you get it... problem solved. Dell recently had a "coupon sale" on Precision models. I picked up a quad core, 2G RAM, 2 optic drives, 250G HD, Win XP, FX570 video card... for $569. The Precision T3400 has an x38 mobo and the support is top notch.