Buffett-style investing - a discussion

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by Cutten, Aug 18, 2008.

  1. Cutten

    Cutten

    The best investment managers and traders have typically never worked at a "normal" business. If what you said was correct, all the top investors would be people with extensive experience in business. But that's not the case - in fact, successful business people are on the whole notorious for making investment mistakes.

    Buffett isn't exactly an operational businessman, he's more a business owner/investor - he hires operations guys and delegates too them. In any case, he is clearly a bit of a unique case. The fact remains that most top investors aren't businessmen, and never have been, yet they understand businesses just fine from an investment perspective. Ken Heebner has not worked in the housing industry but he still knew to buy homebuilders from 2000-2005 and then short the crap out of them and the mortgage industry in 2007 and 2008. How many bank managers or mortgage CEOs did the same?
     
    #31     Aug 26, 2008
  2. #32     Aug 28, 2008
  3. I guess I just cannot see what Buffett saw.
    Deregulation will make it easier for companies to compete against each other, and hence it reduces the moats, unless NRG has an edge. But I just don't see what edge NRG has.
     
    #33     Aug 28, 2008
  4. #34     Aug 28, 2008
  5. #35     Aug 29, 2008
  6. I notice Berkshire Hathaway stock symbol BRKA shows about a 15 % price rally yesterday and is up about 26 % over the past 12 months. In comparison, the Standard and Poors 500 index value is down about 17 % over the past 12 months.
     
    #36     Sep 20, 2008
  7. yayt

    yayt

    Thoughts about LUK?
    Might be a good time to purchase this as a long term investment.
     
    #37     Sep 20, 2008
  8. I notice Ingersoll Rand (stock symbol IR) trading at the lowest price in about 4 years. I recall reading that Warren Buffet has an investment in the company. Yahoo is reporting IR price / book value as 0.96.
     
    #38     Sep 27, 2008
  9. Not sure the old school approach will get you very far these days. The odds are definately against you.
    Aside from the factors that make stock investing VERY risky (management, debt, etc...) I think it is almost impossible to ignore macroeconomics when
    the expansion of the credit markets is being threatened (especially when it comes to small to mid caps). The changes of landing the next MSFT or Walmart
    are really slim.

    Look at Sadia (SDA) which just lost an entire year's earnings on one currency deal gone wrong. Here is a macro influence at work and it affected stock holders gravely.

    Buffets states that one should ignore forcasts of the economy. This is easy to say when you have the entire post-WWII era of expansion at your back. So in a way he is forcasting it, by assuming that US economic forces will take care of upward movement. Even Peter Lynch states that one should rely on the prosepct of higher earnings and US economic expansion in the future. So they actually do predict Macro-events in relying on the fact that they will always be positive in the future.

    btw, Coke has a moat... but will it expand further? Probably not.

    Buffet is a Gordon Gecko with a better PR manager.. all I'm going to say.
     
    #39     Sep 27, 2008
  10. But that is not sufficient in order to quantify possible pit falls and risks that could occur 10 years from now.
     
    #40     Sep 27, 2008