Brokers are scum.

Trader wins £20m in ‘lost profits’ case

By Megan Murphy, Law Courts Correspondent

Published: May 6 2009 20:10 | Last updated: May 6 2009 23:13

An independent day trader has won <B>£20m in damages after being systematically defrauded by one of the world’s largest brokerages</B> – in a landmark ruling likely to reverberate through the industry.

Rajesh Gill, a prolific trader regarded as among the best in the City, has been locked in litigation with MF Global for more than seven years after being ripped off by a senior broker who has since left the firm.



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No you putz.
I'm talking about brokers who push their inventory or their high risk trade ideas on average/non-informed public and have no conscience...

 

During the tech boom I think my broker sold me some SUNW because he couldn't locate for a short. He was too dang ethical to naked short, gotta hand it to him.

 

I have to agree with Alex...not all brokers are the same..there are very few that stand out from the scum as with any industry. That;s life

 

Q: How do you make a small fortune using a stock broker?



















A: Begin with a very large fortune.



*rimshot*

 

Any moron can blame someone else for their own failures.

The vast majority of trading is done electronically by self directed traders with little or no broker involvement.

A commonly held belief is that 90% of futures traders lose money. Why would that be? The answer is simple...Because 90% of traders open accounts with no clue how to trade and they are under capitalized and over trade.

 

Here is the motto with brokers...

We take our experience and your money and turn it into our money and your experience.

 

straight up that is the way it really is, the industry standard, with a commissioned stock broker.

self directed trading is different, there really is no one else to blame with self directed.

never take stock market advice from anyone.

 

Hey yo, this is Rocco from Churnam and Burnam Securities in Brooklyn and have I got a stock to tell you about. It trades 400 shares a day on average, it's listed on the pink sheets, and it has a 2 dollar spread; we feel that it's a winner and our analyst predicts a 50% move up within 12 months.

 

You guys might consider writing letters to the NFA requesting that brokers who make recommendations to clients be compensated by profit sharing rather than or at least in addition to straight commissions.

At the worst New Market Lizard chop shops, the first problem is that most brokers are simply clueless. You might even have a broker with ten years experience but the guy doesn't understand, for example, the mechanism for money creation via private banks. He sees every asset in the universe diving in price, the TED spread (he has no idea what this is usually) passing the stratosphere and credit markets frozen and concludes that inflation will overwhelm us within three months because the Fed cuts rates. Or thinks that eurodollar futures five years out are a prediction of the fed funds rate for that time, or they trade energy all year round but don't know what a crack spread is. Gamma? Isn't that a ray gun? They just don't know enough about their markets. That might be OK if they were selling someone else's trades. Instead they often spend their days dialing for dollars and have to basically come up with trades in their spare time. Somehow the sales mentality and the trading mentality seem to be in conflict imo. The younger brokers at crappy firms typically try and try to make good trade recommendations but because, for example, they're buying out of the money options and charging $60 or $70 commissions (of which they might get 40%), they're playing a sucker's game. They'll get some poor greedy person to open a 5K account and put it all into cheap options, and this may even be mandated by their bosses who have zero faith in their trading ability. Wait for a good trade? But the client might get upset their money isn't "working"and pull the funds! Trade it in the next thirty minutes! Close your eyes and buy! The bosses figure that when the majority of these young brokers become so disheartened by the losing trades and finally quit that they, the principles of the more scummy firms, can take over the clients and thereby avoid all the mind-numbing phone calls. But how can you ever expect to win when buying $400 calls way out of the money and charging all-in $99 commission? It's just lunacy and they should be regulated out of existence.

This doesn't have to mean going around and shutting down the firms; some firms are quite good and anyhow there's an easier way. Make an NFA rule that distinguishes between broker-assisted vs self-directed trades. Self-directed trades should only be allowed small commissions. Broker-assist or full service (whatever the difference really is, if there is one), should be compensated by profit sharing with only a smaller up-front commission. At present brokers cannot easily get into profit sharing schemes with clients, which is a terrible shame.

I agree that there are indeed good brokers out there, some very good full service brokers in addition to good self-directed brokers (who are generally more like reps than brokers truth be told). Even with profit sharing instead of up front commissions the broker-client problem (or "principle agent problem" in fancy terms) would still exist, but it would be much smaller I think. Bad trades would result in little gain for the broker, and the better brokers would generally stay in business while the shysters selling someone on 20 cheap gold calls $70 out-of-the-money with 30 days to expiration, those lizards would have to slither away...

Now, truth be told, self-directed retail futures traders might on average fare even worse than most of the chop shop brokerage clients. You should see a run sheet at a discount futures IB, or a spot forex IB. Like a graveyard. Undercapitalized, over leveraged, under informed, overconfident, undisciplined, generally speaking doomed. Most people should probably just put their money into a good managed futures account, or with a broker who gives them trade recommendations that are similar to managed futures trades. Then they can go and open a $200 account on Oanda when they feel like playing trader or else focus on putting together a sensible stock portfolio...