Broker silently changed the conditions...

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by earth_imperator, May 18, 2023.

  1. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    yeah I know... that's the part that has him confused.
    The broker holds the $380, and they freeze $20.
    Their $400 is covered.

    Dude's gotta be Russian, because English is obviously not his native language... and he's too stupid to be Chinese.

    (lol... van goes racist by stereotyping a compliment to the Chinese culture.):cool:
     
    #21     May 18, 2023
  2. Overnight

    Overnight

    They could lose more than the 20 bux if you withdrew your 380 cash premium during the life of the option. So the stock goes to zero, you have 380, the broker is out 400. Not good for them, yeah? Seems logical they would lock up the strike value plus the premium so you don't stiff them.
     
    #22     May 18, 2023
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  3. spy

    spy

    Forget about all that. The screen cap shows he only got $3.60... apparently he thinks he's going to get the ask when selling at market.
     
    #23     May 18, 2023
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  4. vanzandt

    vanzandt


    Buying power requirement for selling a put in a cash or IRA account

    Selling an outright put requires the total cash-secured amount

    The buying power requirement for a cash-secured put is the (strike price) × (number of contracts) × (option multiplier).

    The premium received from the sale of the put can be applied to the initial requirement.
     
    #24     May 18, 2023
  5. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Exactly.

    Could you imagine... a $5K Robinhood account and someone sells a June CMG $2000 put for $1720

    CMG goes to zero... and Robinhood is out $198,280

    Yeah. Their risk-management dept just figured this out today and "silently changed conditions". :rolleyes:
     
    #25     May 18, 2023
  6. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    It's times like these... that I wish @destriero was still around. :D
     
    #26     May 18, 2023
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  7. Man, this is impossible in such a CashAcct b/c when the order gets placed then the Cash immediately gets locked, so one does not have any access to it anymore for the duration of that trade...

    BS, you talk :)
     
    #27     May 18, 2023
  8. This is my interpretation: analog to MarginAcct where there exist 2 MarginRequirements (InitialMarginReq and MaintMarginReq), they seem to have it similar with CashAcct, though neither their support nor their web site knows about it; only the system internally knows it:
    1) InitialCashRequirement = Strike (ie. when placing the order)
    2) MaintenanceCashRequirement = Strike minus FillPremium (ie. after order gets filled)

    Only that way does it all make a sense.
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2023
    #28     May 18, 2023
  9. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    It still is. That is the cash required from you.

    IN ADDITION TO THE PREMIUM WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY LOCKED UP AND YOU CAN'T TOUCH.

    LIKE THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE.

    IT SURE IS.
    PREMIUM + (STRIKE MINUS PREMIUM) --- EQUALS STRIKE

    OR MATH FOR THE 5YO'S:

    A=PREMIUM
    B=STRIKE

    A + (B -A) = B

    THAT'S TRUE--- AS IT APPLIES TO YOU
    BUT THE PREMIUM BELONGS TO THE BROKER UNTIL YOU CLOSE THE TRADE.
    AS DOES ANY ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT MUST BE ADDED TO ADD UP TO THE STRIKE PRICE.




    :rolleyes:
     
    #29     May 18, 2023
  10. God, spare me these dumbos!
     
    #30     May 18, 2023