Bright on Bullets

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Andre, Jun 9, 2003.

  1. Andre


    One of the subjects we've heard people discuss here on Elite Trader is Bullets ie: How do they work? There's been alot of misinformation posted. So, we're having Don Bright on this week to help clear it up. He'll be covering:

    * Defining "bullets" and "conversions"
    * How to access both
    * How to put either to use when tape reading
    * When to buy a conversion vs. a bullet
    * Estimated costs of each
    *** Important facts about the use of bullets!

    Please join us Wed., June 11th at 4:30pm EST in the Elite Trader Chat Room.

  2. RichSohn


    a bullet is a small metal projectile which is used to puncture the skin of a specialist so that you may once again enjoy the just nature of life.

  3. I'm with Rickie on this one. Much more gratifying than a simple trading method and tool as described by Don!!

    Do we get to pick which one(s)? - IBM, C, GE, any at AMEX!!
  4. i heard Don buys you any bullet of choice for the next day, 1000s, if you show up for the chat.
  5. Hey, where the heck were you when the Capital Punishment thread was active?!? :D
  6. Andre


    We'll be getting started here in a few, folks.

  7. Don,

    How much do conversions cost and how long can you hold them for? I mean, could you put a conversion on for several months? Also, when you guys initiate a conversion, are you buying the options at ask, and selling at the bid, or does your relationship with SLK help you sell at ask, and buy at bid?

    One last question, does the conversion cost the same no matter how long you plan on holding it?


  8. c_robinson,

    I guess my question is relating specifically to the bid/ask spread. While carry cost does determine option cost, how does bid/ask spread affect conversion cost. In other words, as bid/ask spreads widen with lengthening expirations -- do conversion costs change? Or, are conversions priced at a flat rate across the board? The increased cost to a retail trader is quite evident if you try to assemble your own conversion with, let's say LEAPS it will be much different that assembling a conversion with 1 month until expiration --- Due solely to wider bid/ask spreads in the far months.

    This leads to another question, do Bright's (or ECHO's) clearing relationships allow them to transact conversions at the favorables sides of bid and ask?

  9. hmmmmm.......this may or may not answer your question but the "carry cost" is the interest on the long stock position. you would also get the dividend if you own the stock at the right time. as far as the bid ask spread is concerned, i don't think this would matter. at either echo or bright there will be someone to implement the conversion for you. i have not actually called the floor for a conversion for 4 years.

    your account balance after you "own" the conversion will fluctuate depending on the options and where they close in the afternoons but if held till expiration it is as don says a neutral position therefore you will not realize any market risk except on expiration day if the stock closes near the strike price. (but we watch them like a hawk that day)

    i hope this helps but if not i'm sure Don would not mind a pm in order to clear things up.

    Good Luck!!!
    #10     Jun 12, 2003