Look conduit, I don't want to be rude. We've all jumped to conclusions in the past about certain events based on what we felt at that time was a good grasp of the situation. If we take trading as an example, it takes years to master, but there are many occasions during that journey where we think, "I've got it", only to have egg on our faces later on. It's is similar phenomenon when we establish strong views about the politics of another country based on some surface understanding due to previous visits, dealings or some news coverage. Honestly, I think you waded into UK politics with some level of understanding based on your own personal experiences, but without an in depth knowledge of the intricacies and subtleties. You have some interesting insights, but there is a lot of unnecessary inflammatory rhetoric in your posts, and some of it is just plain misleading. I don't feel you're at the stage where you are open minded to listen to different points of view. Fair enough, we've all been there at certain times in our life, only to realise later on that we made an error of judgement. I don't necessary expect you to take on board my comments at the moment, but maybe in time you will reflect back in a different light. Don't forget that the UK is still part of the European family. The UK is always part of Europe, but it is also an island, and geography has huge implications for a region's relationship with its neighbours. There are racists everywhere, but for most of the British Leave voters that I know, it is about sovereignty and issues concerning the EU institution and its direction, the UK's ability to prevent more laws that harm its own interests. Uncontrolled immigration might be one such issue, but it is really only part of the jigsaw puzzle. The UK government is certainly not against immigration, which I think you've now accepted has always been part of the UK's fabric. And nobody wants the EU to fail, hopefully the situation can better for EU now that the UK has decided to leave. Difficult times ahead, but not insurmountable obstacles. I hope this thread gets back on track, but I will be making my own exit from the thread now and watching from the sidelines. Apologies for any offense taken from my posts, and I am willing to give you a fresh start too.
what part of the European family are you? You just voted out. But still want half in, half out, one leg in one leg out. Its like a guy sleeping with whores and other gals before the divorce is signed. By the way the thread is perfectly on track. We heard the UK side and I appreciated the differing takes. But the thread also has a right to be represented by those who hold a pro Europe view. I presented mine. I don't hate you nor any of your folks. But you should know that patience among many Europeans towards the UK has also run out. Same on both ends. Using Art.50 as a bargaining chip will not go unpunished that I am absolutely certain of. Let's agree to disagree on most of the issues we exchanged thoughts about. No harm done.
I am not barking up your tree in case you felt addressed. I respect you and your right to your opinion even though I strongly disagree with it. What I do not respect is extortion. Such attempt will come at a heavy price.
This mess wasn't created in a few days, nor will it be fixed in a few days. Clearly, you don't like it and your views reflect disdain for the decision. Of course decisions haven't been made. Had they been made, you would criticize that as well. The people of the UK have spoken. Now it's time to take a step back and bring the right people to the fore and go about the lengthy process of making proper decisions in due course. No doubt you will blather on about whatever decisions are made or not made, but rest assured much work is being done behind the scenes to make decisions that are in the best interest of the UK and bring people together. Five years from now, no one will discuss this and the UK will be quite prosperous.
I accepted the decision made in the UK. What everyone is annoyed and at the same time amused about is that on one hand the British people and Europeans by UK's prime minister were told that the referendum is binding. Now it is not binding anymore. Then no preparations have been made whatsoever on UK's side. It is the responsibility of the UK as still EU member to show a clear path what and when things will happen. Every additional day will add to the number Europeans who will stamp Brits as extortionate people and it is pretty clear at this point that this can only badly backfire. Should the slightest hint come about that the timing of invoking article 50 is used as bargaining chip then I am pretty certain that it won't be pretty next time Brits set foot on Continental Europe. It's a choice that is made. Europeans are not stupid in case anyone is looking to try to play games. If 200 Russians can beat the shit out of 2000 English hooligans in Marseille then consider that the beginning of the end of any sort of friendship
The EU is pretty much finished. Deal with it. What really amuses me is that Scotland wants to break from the UK and join the EU.
Wow. You are comparing our nuclear capability with um, German shepherd dogs... I think you are barking* (no pun intended), mate. * translation for non UK people, this means you are crazy