Breakout Trading - Smart Play or Fool's Game?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Money Trust, May 19, 2015.

Breakout Trading - Smart Play or Fool's Game?

Poll closed Jul 7, 2015.
  1. Yes

    11 vote(s)
    78.6%
  2. No

    3 vote(s)
    21.4%
  1. Redneck

    Redneck

    It's a RBO!!!!!

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    Like hell it is



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    Had all the classic indications of being a RBO - right up until it failed



    Will talk about what we knew - heading into today

    (know??? this is trading - how can we know anything :) )


    RN
     
    #61     May 28, 2015
  2. Redneck

    Redneck

    Today's installment of.., as the range - umm ranges

    FB 240, no changes from yesterday

    RN



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    #62     May 28, 2015
  3. Redneck

    Redneck

    An RBO that worked today


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    Well..., sort of



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    Believe there an adage about pigs and slaughtering

    RN
     
    #63     May 28, 2015
  4. Redneck

    Redneck


    Before I talk about what was knowable heading into today..., allow me to discuss how I got there

    I use 4 charts

    1 min - microscope
    5 min - trading
    15 min - longer view
    240 min (4hr) - my overall view - iow the universe I trade in

    As a refresher - PA is contiguous..., not continuous - there are session breaks...., but it is all the same PA - no matter the chunks of time we choose to break it up in

    The (my) universe;

    What ever the universe is (ranging or trending) - so to must the predominant PA within it be

    It the predominant PA within..., that creates / makes up the entirety of said universe

    This true unless the universe in the process of evolving from one state to the next

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    What was know about the universe heading into today

    Price is in a range
    The context (rectangle) is in sync with that range
    The context, since it is in sync, can be leaned on
    Has anything changed to place the universe in upheaval - no

    Side note; that big ass up bar on the 14th came right after verizon announced aol's buy out

    So given what was known - any reason - until proven wrong - to think the universe has changed / will change - no

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    The potential RBO up..., I posted earlier today - which ultimately failed - occurred near the top of the universe's upper range (.28 cents short of it to be exact)

    Anything up to that point change to cause price to BO of its current universe - not that was indicated in the PA - even though the PA leading up to that potential BO was picture perfect - in every way - within the 1M range

    Problem was - that 1M PA was not in sync with the universe it was residing in

    It why MTFA is so vital in this business

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    Fast forward to now

    So..., price (the universe) has been in a range...., and is still in that range

    Any reason to think tomorrow will be different

    Not unless universal upheaval occurs

    ============================

    On a different note;

    Now..., lets say the universe trending

    Would RBOs - in the direction of the universe's trend - be more likely to work

    Yes - but..., still must always be cognizant of where in the session / trend this particular range..., price is attempting to BO from..., has formed

    Reversals are a fact of life - as are extended PBs

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    One other aspect I need to touch on.., but not sure how deep I am willing to go with it

    Intraday - price's bias

    Quicker this identified - it the profitable way to trade

    It can / does change throughout a session

    Just because price headed in a direction - does not necessarily mean that is price's bias - traps do get set..., then tripped

    =================

    I still maintain ranges / volatility masks piss poor trading skills - and makes a real trader work exponentially harder

    RN
     
    #64     May 28, 2015
  5. Redneck

    Redneck

    One other thought

    In a range universe;

    Targets need shortened up
    Stops need strictly honored.., and imo tighten (trade is going to work or not)
    When near the edges..., don't count on a continuation - until / unless something changes
    When price is in the middle of a range - that is no man's land - or rather suicide

    RN
     
    #65     May 28, 2015
  6. Redneck

    Redneck

    A28

    How about tomorrow evening we break this down and discuss Sir


    RN
     
    #66     May 28, 2015
  7. i960

    i960

    BTW: One thing that comes to mind is that we're all of course trading breakouts in a way when it comes down to it. Everyone wants strong favorable moves away from their entry and closer to their PT (if any).

    What I interpreted from the original poster's idea of breakout trading was specifically buy and sell stop type trading where one gets triggered on the final strong move that breaks out. That's what I think is a fools game more often than not.
     
    #67     May 29, 2015
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  8. Redneck

    Redneck

    RBO?

    We'll see

    RN



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    #68     May 29, 2015
  9. Redneck

    Redneck


    :)

    RN
     
    #69     May 29, 2015
  10. londonkid

    londonkid

    my 2c.

    flat price directional trades - I never trade breakouts. on occasions I like to take the other side of the breakout and hold when the fail is confirmed.

    spread positions - I like to take trades as price moves out of a consolidation, when my expected move is in its infancy. these trades tend to last days to weeks.
     
    #70     May 29, 2015