Breaking news: Niederhoffer still in business after market correction!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by just21, Jun 1, 2006.

  1. Never confuse a bull market for brains.
     
    #71     Jun 13, 2006
  2. When I checked it some time ago was there, mmhh...makes me think...
     
    #72     Jun 13, 2006
  3. Maybe that cane is impaled somewhere.
     
    #73     Jun 13, 2006
  4. Good RM commentary from Altucher today. A lot of Niederhoffer lemmings, er, followers out there.


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    Volatility selling hedge funds exacerbating the decline?

    James Altucher

    ...volatility is back. For the past few years we've been used to futures being up or down 1 or 2 points at this time of the morning. Now being down 5,6, or even 10, is starting to become the norm. But more unusual is the fact that the S&P futures are down more than the Nasdaq futures.

    This is important because it tells me that the market is not just down because of inflation jitters or worries about earnings or the economy. Last year, in my context running a fund of funds, I probably received proposals every other week or so from hedge funds that were raising money to sell volatilituy. In other words, they would sell puts on the S&P 500. Since volatility has gone straight down since March 2003, these funds have been enormously successful, usually putting up returns of 1-5% every month, up or down markets. I even heard of one fund of funds that only invested in volatility-selling funds.

    Well, that period is over. These funds, despite all the risk management in the world, are unwinding their positions at heavy losses while they get margin calls. It's not unusual to see them down 10-50% per month at this point. Many of these funds are going out of business. What happens then? Well, they have to buy back their puts, causing volatility to spike, and the S&P to artificially go down while the market absorbs all the put buying and hedging which occurs. When this phenomenon is over, I expect the market to roar back. I would be a buyer here, while these funds are liquidating.
     
    #74     Jun 13, 2006
  5. just21

    just21

    #75     Jun 13, 2006

  6. i guess you need to include: tony crabel, roy niederhoffer, and monroe trout among several others managing billions in your lemmings comment.
     
    #76     Jun 13, 2006
  7. jem

    jem

    28% in one month.

    Unreal. He spends years making money and probably gives back everything he made in one month. The assumption being that while he had low equity he had great returns and then with his returns leading the pack he probably took in a great deal of money. Now poof. Add up all his gains on smaller amounts and then wack of 28% on a very large amount and poof

    The other day surf quoted him as saying he deserves to be consider one of the best traders ever. In reality he has probably lost more money in short periods of time than any trader in history. He quite possibly is one of the worst traders in history, losing more money than just about anybody we know.

    He is running a fantastic legal scam and he has guys like surf thinking he is a good trader and a good guy.
     
    #77     Jun 13, 2006

  8. one of the primary ways to judge someones ability is to observe the results of those who studied under his/her tutelege. in niederhoffer's case--- a multitude of highly succesful money managers have emerged from his firm/associates. see my post above for several names.

    let's wait untill the end of the year to throw the dirt. one month tells us nothing.

    surfer:)
     
    #78     Jun 13, 2006
  9. jem

    jem

    When you predict the business model (scam imo) you can say I told you so.

    Here is just one recent example.

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1100178#post1100178
     
    #79     Jun 13, 2006
  10. #80     Jun 13, 2006