Brazil's Space Program.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SouthAmerica, Mar 29, 2006.

  1. Would you rather live in Brazil if you also had to work there for $1-3hr just like the rest of the Brazilian population? Something tells me after one month of living and working in Brazil you'll be illegally crossing the mexican border into this country.

    I've got Brazilian friends living here in the US. They come from very wealthy, well-educated Brazilian families and they ain't going back.
     
    #31     Apr 1, 2006
  2. domi93

    domi93

    over 1 million brazilian cross that border bt 2004 and 2005.. and 40% of its population dont even know how to read o write.. 60% of its people live under the poverty level...
    I think that you just have a 3 world country socialist Brain..

    dooo, even SouthAmerica Live here in the states and he have like 2 decades working,living and fucking in the US, and trust me, no matter what kind of trash he write, he wont go back to his "superpower" country.
     
    #32     Apr 1, 2006
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    Domi93: over 1 million Brazilian cross that border bt 2004 and 2005.


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    April 1, 2006

    SouthAmerica: I have seen various studies that estimated that there are about 1.3 million Brazilians living in the US today – 50 percent are here legally, and the other 50 percent are illegal immigrants.

    The majority are here to make some money and they expect to return to Brazil after they have reached their goal and have earned enough money to open a small business in Brazil or just retire in Brazil.

    At least 90 percent of the Brazilian who are living in the US came to this country on a regular airline carrier – and just a small number of very poor people are the ones trying to cross the border via Mexico.

    Until the late 1970’s very few Brazilians moved out of Brazil. This immigration from Brazil to the US started mostly in the 1980’s when the economy in Brazil was stagnating and airline tickets were for the first time at the reach of most people – even to the poorest people in Brazilian society.

    Millions of Brazilians lost their jobs since the 1970’s and they have been displaced by technology – in farming and in other areas – and also by global competition.

    Why most of these poor people are coming to the US instead of going to most countries around the world?

    The answer is very simple – the United States has a massive marketing campaign showing how perfect American society is – everybody has a big house, at least two cars, free education, and medical care, lots of shopping malls to buy anything you want and so on.

    How you get to this paradise?

    Just buy a one-way ticket to the US (which has been very low since the early 1980’s) and when you are inside the US you just go anywhere you want.

    It is a piece of cake.

    But where the Brazilian people see this American marketing campaign?

    This Brazilian immigration to the US is the result of American marketing though the American movies (all kinds of movies and TV series) that have been distributed to the Brazilian movie theaters and the Brazilian television system since its inception in the early 1950’s.

    Brazilians have been watching American movies on movie theaters and on television on a regular basis for the last 50 years. Americans did a good job marketing the United States as the place to come (legally or illegally) for people to make a buck and achieve the American dream.

    What the mainstream American media never say to the American public is that 50 percent of these illegal immigrants who take a chance and come to the US - go back after a while because they are not able to survive and earn a living in the United States.

    By the way, thousands of Brazilians returned to Brazil after 9/11 – the planes were full going from the US to Brazil and empty from Brazil to the US - because thousands of Brazilians realized that the US was no longer the country that they knew and Brazil became a better option for many of these people.


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    #33     Apr 1, 2006
  4. jem

    jem

     
    #34     Apr 1, 2006
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    "Outsourcing Is Ruining the US and Brazil's Economy"
    Written by Ricardo C. Amaral
    Tuesday, 29 March 2005


    …I had realized that something extraordinary was going on, but when I read a long article in the Financial Times in October of 2003 about IBM and outsourcing - I realized immediately that the United States economy was in big trouble.

    …That Financial Times article felt like a sledgehammer hitting me in the forehead. The first thing that came to mind was that IBM has clout and the connections to all the major corporations in the US.

    With this vast army of outsourcing consultants they could outsource at the speed of light a large amount of good paying American jobs to cheaper places such as India, and China; before the fools in Washington realized and grasped what was going on.

    This particular case of "IBM and Outsourcing on Steroids" has a major implication for the US economy, because of IBM's unique position and connections to the US major corporations. The same can be said for IBM's clout and connections to corporations in Brazil.

    IBM is in the position to outsource, and at a very fast rate, a large number of good paying jobs out of the United States and out of Brazil into China, India and other lower cost countries.

    IBM and the other major outsourcing companies can outsource American and Brazilian jobs faster than the United States and Brazilian economies can create new ones.

    Today, 18 months later I know that the situation is a lot worse than I originally thought in October of 2003. Not only large corporations are outsourcing good paying American jobs, but companies of all sizes realized that they also could play the outsourcing game.

    The US economy is following the same path, as the Titanic, and the American population, just like the passengers on that doomed ship, is having a good time and has no idea of the calamity that lies just ahead.

    Another result of this massive outsourcing effort is that the US economy is exporting a large number of good paying jobs and replacing it with part-time jobs, with no benefits in companies such as Wal-Mart and Target.

    Outsourcing - Say Goodbye to 14 million American Jobs

    In October 29, 2003 a study was published by the University of California, at Berkeley saying: "A ferocious new wave of outsourcing of white-collar jobs is sweeping the United States, according to a new study published by University of California, Berkeley, researchers, who say the trend could leave as many as 14 million service jobs in the U.S. vulnerable.

    'Study authors Ashok Deo Bardhan and Cynthia Kroll, both researchers at the Fisher Center for Real Estate and Urban Economics housed at UC Berkeley's Haas School of Business, advise that not all of an estimated 14 million vulnerable jobs are likely to be lost. But, they note, jobs remaining in the United States could be subject to pressures to lower wages, and the jobs that leave may slow the nation's job growth or generate losses in related activities."

    The Disappearing Job - Worldwide

    Another study published in October 2003 said: "Economists at Alliance Capital Management LP in New York looked at employment trends in 20 large economies and found that from 1995 to 2002, more than 22 million jobs in the manufacturing sector were eliminated, a decline of more than 11%.

    Contrary to conventional U.S. beliefs, the research found that American manufacturing workers weren't the biggest losers. The U.S. lost about two million manufacturing jobs in the 1995-2002 period, an 11% drop. But Brazil had a 20% decline. Japan's factory work force shed 16% of its jobs, while China's was down 15%.

    Joseph Carson, director of global economic research at Alliance, says the reasons for the declines are similar across the globe: Gains in technology and competitive pressure have forced factories to become more efficient, allowing them to boost output with far fewer workers. Indeed, even as manufacturing employment declined, says Mr. Carson, global industrial output rose more than 30%."

    IBM - Big Blue

    After reading the Financial Times article I was trying to remember what the letters IBM stand for, then suddenly I realized that this new reorganized "IBM" maybe have a different meaning for the new millennium - IBM: International Bastards and Mercenaries?

    In August of 2003, I started doing some research about the impact that outsource and offshoring would have in the United States economy, and how Brazil could try to profit from this new business environment, and bring some new business to Brazil.

    But after reading an article in The Financial Times of London on October 10, 2003 I understood that something big was under way that would have a major impact in the American economy and in other economies all around the world. The article said: "Big Blue reinvents itself again: can Palmisano create value in a new era of outsourced business processes?"

    The article said: "IBM's new chief executive is betting that the company's future lies in the acquisition of a consulting arm and on-demand computing services....Under Sam Palmisano, chairman and chief executive, IBM is investing billions of dollars in research and acquisitions under the banner of "e-business on demand."

    ... The future of information technology can be found in central Cincinnati, Ohio, where Procter & Gamble has its headquarters. The 166-year-old maker of soaps and snacks has this year outsourced not only management of its IT infrastructure but also business processes including relocation services and employee benefits administration.

    The scope of Big Blue's ambition is breathtaking. Executives admit that IBM now sees itself as competing not only for the $ 1 trillion that companies spend each year on IT but also for the billions spent on processes of the kind outsourced by P&G - which last month signed a $ 400 million, 10-year contract with IBM.

    "IBM made a big bet on the 360 series (of mainframe computers) in the 1960's and by the end of it people were talking about 'IBM and the seven dwarfs'. If they get this right, we could have the same thing all over again."

    ...When Mr Palmisano took the top job last year from Lou Gerstner, he wasted no time in putting his stamp on the company he had joined in 1973. He disbanded the 12-strong management committee that had ruled IBM for close to 100 years....Early in his tenure, however, it was unclear in which direction the 51-year old insider would take the company. The answer came a year ago with two high-profile moves.

    IBM - The Outsourcer

    First, Mr. Palmisano paid US$ 3.5 billion for the management consulting business of PwC, the professional services firm. The deal brought 30,000 consultants on to IBM's payroll and took it into the nascent market for "business process outsourcing."

    Second, in a speech given razzmatazz billing as The Sam Palmisano Event, he laid out his vision for computer systems that are self-healing or "autonomic", linked in giant "grids" and available "on demand", like water or electric utilities.

    This, he declared, was IBM's future.
    At first blush, the two events seemed barely related. But IBM-ers say the combination of consulting skills and technology leadership is the essence of Mr. Palmisano's strategy.

    ...Mr. Palmisano is out to repeat the success as he pushes into management consulting and business process outsourcing. He must outflank competitors, convince customers and mobilize IBM's own resources.

    As a result of its huge scope, IBM now competes against almost every company of note in the technology sector. In services it competes not only against outsourcers such as Electronic Data Systems and Computer Sciences Corporation but now also against IT consultants Accenture and Cap Gemini Ernst & Young.

    Even if a significant proportion of customers is ready to embrace the "on-demand" agenda, and Mr. Palmisano can compete effectively against everyone from Intel to Accenture, a further challenge remains: how to mobilize IBM's 315,000 employees in common cause."

    I don't know why the American mainstream media didn't follow up on The Financial Times article and stress the impact that IBM would have in the American economy in the future, because of this massive exporting of American jobs to the rest of the world.

    IBM alone has an army of consultants ready to help American companies export millions of American jobs to other lands. Remember you need only a hand full of consultants to export jobs by the thousands.

    Then you add on top of that all the other consulting companies operating in the United States today; all of them trying to export American jobs by the thousands.

    Companies such as, Electronic Data Systems, Computer Sciences Corporation, Cap Gemini Ernst & Young, Infosys Technologies, Wipro Technologies, Deloitte Consulting Offshore Technology Group, and Accenture to just mention a few of the major players; are jumping on the band wagon.

    It will be easier for IBM and for the other outsourcing companies to outsource a massive number of jobs from the United States than to outsource the jobs from the Brazilian economy, because of the English language.

    India, China, and many other countries from around the world, countries that have lower costs, can communicate very well in English, and that alone simplify the outsourcing process of jobs out of the US economy.

    One result of this outsourcing business is a net reduction of salaries for US workers at all levels, which in turn will result in lower taxes paid to the states and federal government....


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    The above article was published on various magazines and newspapers from around the world. You can read a copy of the entire article at:

    http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/1821/49/


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    #35     Apr 2, 2006
  6. FredBloggs

    FredBloggs Guest

    i agree with what you say here, but i was coming from a different angle.

    many in the usa seem to think of the commie russians as a bunch of thickos who were 20 years behind the curve. this is not true.

    your average russians iq is way beyond that of most westerners, as is their understanding of technology and its applications.

    yes - the culture and standard of living for the average rushski stunk - but stupid they were not.
     
    #36     Apr 2, 2006
  7. FredBloggs

    FredBloggs Guest


    lol -

    breaking news: bush anounces the moon is made of green cheese. domi93 believes him.
     
    #37     Apr 2, 2006
  8. Wrong again Freddie, unless you compare russians iq with your own they are at the very bottom of european IQ league (17th out of 23 european nations):


    "The survey showed huge variations in IQ across Europe, as well as within the UK. Scotland is 16th out of the 23 European nations, with eastern Europe filling most of the places below that.

    Russia, Greece, France, Bulgaria, Romania, Turkey and Serbia all score lower averages than Scotland, with Serbians notching up just 89 IQ points on average. "
    http://news.scotsman.com/health.cfm?id=470942006
     
    #38     Apr 2, 2006
  9. FredBloggs

    FredBloggs Guest

    well we can all bend statistics to how we want to portray our side. if i could be bothered, i coulp probably find a statistic that contradicts this.

    however, i can speak from experience. i have dated several russian chicks and met many of their friends, and i can asure you they have been head and shoulders above most europeans and americans.

    these werent the stars of russia who they like to export, just average russians. they can all speak about 3 languages etc.

    how many russians have you met first hand? none i bet. the average american is too busy believing the propaganda from the 80's thinking all russians are a bunch of baby eating evil thickos.

    you cant tar all the people just because the pwers that be in the country are evil by our standards.

    you may want to research what happened in the 80's when the yanks got hold of a mig. they laughed when they saw it still had valves inside in stead of transistors like their fighter planes - until they realised the true implications of this.......hahaha obviously this is one example where the backward russian 'stupidity' stood head and shoulders above american technology for technologys sake approach.
     
    #39     Apr 2, 2006
  10. If you're obsessed with women, then perhaps you would rather live in Brazil than the USA. Granted, many of their women are smoking hot, but their personalities leave something to be desired - comes from that third world "gotta take care of myself and grab everything I can get " mentality.

    Had a friend who was married to a brazilian woman, who was the daughter of a brazilian millionaire (in US terms).

    He had a bright future, but was poor. She had money, but thought he had lots coming to him soon. Unfortunately, that was not the case. Mom and dad set them up in a sweet apartment in Miami, which he enjoyed, but when she discovered he couldn't make the car payments on her Benz, she was out of there and moved in with a yacht builder. Very attractive and sexy girl, but with the integrity of a flea.

    Reminds me of that old rhyme:

    "The centipede jumped on the scorpion's back, and chuckled with fiendish glee;
    I'm going to poison this son of a bastard - if I don't, he'll poison me!"

    Caveat emptor.

    Brazil! The country of the future! For the last 50 years....
     
    #40     Apr 2, 2006