Brazilian Treasuries? 10y Yield 12%

Discussion in 'Fixed Income' started by kmiklas, May 21, 2023.

  1. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Any thoughts on Brazilian Treasuries?

    10y is returning about 12%.

    SnP rates them BB-, and they’ve defaulted 10 times in history: 1898, 1902, 1914, 1931, 1937, 1961, 1964, 1983, 1986 and 1990.

    Yield curve follows.

    Nice return… but too risky? It’s been 33 years…

    Ref:
    http://www.worldgovernmentbonds.com/country/brazil/



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  2. Gambitman

    Gambitman

    12% tells me it’s too risky. Didn’t realize they defaulted 10 times. Personally if I lent money to a friend 10 times and they never paid me back I probably wouldn’t lend the 11th.
     
  3. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    That was a long time ago.
     
  4. How do you the Brazilian treasuries that are mentioned above i.e. 10 Y with +12 yield ? i.e. does IB or Schwab provide it for trading or buying ? I was looking understand how to trade these on IB, but could not understand which symbol it was and the ones I opened were all USD denominated and gave single digit yiel on them.
     
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  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    I use to hear the same questions about the Lebanese pound yielding 15%. It was a bad ending.
     
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  6. mervyn

    mervyn

    People do trade those bonds, but they subsequently entered a PAS.
     
  7. Specterx

    Specterx

    Looks like 1yr notes and presumably shorter maturity bills are paying ~15%, so why on earth would you buy the bonds? If the central bank starts cutting and the yield curve un-inverts you can always shift into bonds at that time.

    BRL has historically experienced regular depreciations vs the USD. If you invested in those 10yr bonds ten years ago you'd only get forty cents on the dollar back at maturity, not factoring in coupon payments - the USD value of which also shriveled over the ten-year period.

    At a minimum you'd want to take a deep dive into inflation dynamics in Brazil, and prospective evolution of the government's fiscal and monetary policy.
     
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  8. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Good question... I wondered that myself.

    I was reading the FT on Saturday and this rate caught my eye.

    I'm going to call IB about it today, and see if international bonds are available. I'll get back to you.
     
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  9. kmiklas

    kmiklas

    Looks like IB does offer Non-US bonds.

    TWS (Desktop) -> Classic TWS -> Analyic Tools -> Bond Scanner -> Non-US Sovereign Bonds

    Look at those fat yields!

    Thanks, Keith
    Non-professional -- not licensed -- opinion only


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  10. 2rosy

    2rosy

    ILF etf has 11.5% dividend and barely moves.
     
    #10     May 22, 2023
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