" "Florida State University criminologist, Gary Kleck, analyzed data from the Department of Justice's National Crime Victimization Survey (1992-1998). Describing his findings on defensive gun use, in Armed: New Perspectives on Gun Control, New Yorkrometheus Books (2001) Axie, would you like to tell us about Gary? I mean who commissioned the book? And the statistics he quotes - how come no one else quotes them? I can answer for you. The good Prof is more than a member in good standing in the NRA - he has a financial relationship with them...they commissioned the book. And most, if not all of the "statistics" you are so fond of quoting - like the 2+ million gun owners who thwart crime each year - well, they ain't exactly like real statistics - it is an extrapolation, a guess. Did you bother to mention that earlier? Man, ain't it a bitch when your antagonist knows what he's talking about? About the best a boy can do is declare victory, post a picture of a broom, and hope no one else will notice, Axie, you are a moron...as you have demonstrated many times. But what the hey, I ain't all that swift myself. the difference between us is that when I am proven wrong (like your contention that liable and slander were against the law, just to mention one) I have the decency to admit my error - or at least slink away in disgrace. But don't dispair - that mental giant Gekko still looks up to you...(smirk)
You guys thought that I was bullshittin' when I said that the so called stats weren't like real stats - didn't you. Well there it is, listed above. Do you know what "logistic regression" means? It means extrapolation...a guess. One might call it an "educated guess"...you take a body of "real" statistics - like 2 robberies were thwarted by gun owners...you then say that there are x number of gun owners, x number of robberies, therefore, y number of robberies "could" have been...get the picture. It's not a statistic, it's a guess, at best - wishful thinking at worst. Perhaps, there goes your cover, Axie
somewhat agree... ...totally DISAGREE. i am a HUGE supporter of the 1st amendment. as axeman said earlier when discussing guns, it's the PERSON that is the problem, not the gun. blaming anything else but the person is just avoiding whatever the real issue is. THAT'S THE REALITY! i've seen the most violent movies. i've played the most violent video games. i've listened to violent music. i've seen violent porn, etc. NONE OF THIS HAS MADE ME A VIOLENT PERSON. i am one of the most non-violent humans on planet earth. i don't eat meat and i try not to kill living things, including bugs. if all the violence hasn't screwed me up, then IT'S SOMETHING ELSE that causes human beings to be violent. by the way, i hate it when i hear people talking about wanting to ban violent movies, etc. I SHOULD NOT BE DEPRIVED OF THINGS I ENJOY BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE IS A SHITTY HUMAN BEING. i should be able to watch any violent movie i want or play any violent video game. if another guy is violent, find out what is different between him and i, then work on fixing THAT.
Your truly a class act tampa. Are personal attacks the only non-form of debate you are capable of? How about committing the poisoning the well fallacy? What if I said something like: Better than a misguided, brain fried, ex-acid dropping, bleeding heart hippy who has destroyed so much of his brain he has the IQ of a newborn newt? Should that convince anyone they shouldn't listen to you? peace axeman
And I remember a story where a police swat team armory was robbed of military style rifles. so what? Should we outlaw the swat team? Anyone with a basic understanding of statistics knows you cant understand the big picture with a single bad sample as you are proposing. Here is a clue for you... the criminals already have access to tons of guns. When some moron judge does something like this YOU DO NOT BLAME the rest of law abiding citizens, you blame the individual. Yet another example of liberals attempting to blame everything other than the responsible criminal. peace axeman
Tampa now has to resort to OUTRIGHT LIES in an attempt to beat me at this debate. How utterly pathetic. Are you on acid right now tampa? Be truthful. Here are the facts that show what a complete and pathetic LIAR you are. People can freely check them on their own ------------------------------------------------ Gary Kleck, Ph.D., professor in the School of Criminology and Criminal Justice at Florida State University, is considered the dean of criminologists on firearms issues by his colleagues in the American Society of Criminology, who in 1993 awarded Kleck its coveted Hindelang Award for his book Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America (Aldine de Gruyter, 1991). Kleck's unimpeachable liberal credentials--he's a registered Democrat and a member of Common Cause and Amnesty International, as examples--precludes any possibility of pro-conservative or pro- NRA bias. He takes no funding from any partisan in the gun-control debate. ------------------------------------------------ Kleck is a well respected criminologist and has never been a member of the NRA to my knowledge. His credentials far outweigh yours. You have serious issues man. You have completely lost any CRUMB of credibility with this post. peace axeman
No Axie, it's another example of a neo-con living in denial...blaming everyone else...pointing fingers in the hope no one will look at him... I stand on my assertion that his statistics are based on extrapolation, and his work was commissioned bty the NRA -period. You can call me any name that pleases you, but it won't change the fact that either you were not aware of the bok's origins, or worse yet, were...
No one cares what you have to say tampa. You just proved to everyone what a completely dishonest and slimy person you are by blatantly LYING in a pathetic attempt to defend your weak position. All you can do is attack peoples character instead of debating points intellectually. You are not worth my time. Go drop some more acid and leave the people who still have a brain alone to debate. You utterly disgust me. peace axeman
maybe you'd answer just one question for me, Axie - can I get a copy of Gary's book from/through the NRA?