Bond rally nearing an end?

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by gharghur2, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. 3dog

    3dog

    #591     Apr 17, 2006
  2. WOW! They've been buying through this whole decline?
    Makes me wonder what is considered "Commercial".
    Would Central banks also be considered commericals?
     
    #592     Apr 17, 2006
  3. WAWTU31

    WAWTU31


    This is the coolest damn thread on the web...no B.S.

    So, if you are long the June 106 30yr Puts and trying to roll them into the Sept 104 Puts does this steepening yield curve play suggest:

    Short rates LOWER

    and

    Long rates HIGHER

    I donwloaded the specs for the TUT trade so that I can learn and simulate a play on this trade but I am not sure in what direction I am thinking the market will go. Off the top of my head I say Long rates higher but I realize that short rates could go higher at the same time. And is this trade more easily accomplished in the Sept 104 options as opposed to the TUT trade?
     
    #593     Apr 18, 2006
  4. I've been working to get my arms around the TUT for a while as well. I'm still thinking Fed has to jack up rates further and we will invert again - i.e. get another juicy entry for a steep'ner trade. Fed is fighting asset prices, no doubt, and with oil and gold at recent highs Fed still has a considerable way to go.

    We'll invert again. Steeper/Flatter trades typically last ~2 years so one can/must be patient with entry/exit points.

    As for the options - check out the choice margins on the TUT. Sure beats that time decay, IMO.
     
    #594     Apr 18, 2006
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    The inflation-risk premium keeps growing.

    While the strength of the stock market creates more room for interest rate hikes.
     
    #595     Apr 18, 2006
  6. Hi Steve,

    The economy is still strong.

    Therefore higher rates mainly affect only the cyclicals, while the growth sector keeps piling on those earnings. They are counter balancing each other and the market is basically going sideways.
     
    #596     Apr 18, 2006
  7. WAWTU31

    WAWTU31

    I read on the CBOT website that the TUT Spread was 192 basis points on July 2 2004, where is the spread currently?

    Thanks.
     
    #597     Apr 18, 2006
  8. +11 bp pre-open today ... bottomed -16 on Feb 23. I'm thinking we are likely to re-invert.

    Most recently peaked Aug 13, 2003 at +274 bp.
     
    #598     Apr 18, 2006
  9. It is interesting that there is lots of chatter from Wall Street about the Fed stopping rate hikes later this year, but no discussion of whether the rate hikes have really been effective. Face it, after +375bp of Fed tightening, credit spreads (ranging from investment grade to emerging debt) have barely moved from very tight levels. [Today there is an article in the Financial Times that Argentina, a SERIAL defaulter, is actually getting calls from investment bankers to offer new debt!]

    I think that holding Fed Funds at 1% for so long created a massive credit bubble that will lead to sharply higher interest rates out on the curve. Rates must move up much higher - either credit spreads widen out because of defaults, or inflation continues to be fueled by doves on the FOMC. It may end with 10s in the 7-8% range.

    That’s my opinion.
     
    #599     Apr 18, 2006
  10. WAWTU31

    WAWTU31

    "Most members thought that the end of the tightening process was likely to be near and some expressed concerns about the dangers of tightening too much, given the lags in the effects of policy,"


    FOMC partial statement.
     
    #600     Apr 18, 2006