Bond rally nearing an end?

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by gharghur2, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. landboy

    landboy

    The end is never pretty, it ends with blood in the streets...

    It's a little wacky, but who woulda thought in the eighties we'd see the long bond yields eventually in the single digits, let alone below 5%... now THAT's crazy...
     
    #481     Apr 2, 2006
  2. 4 year car loans in 1980 were 19.5% and that's if you had good credit...

    that's when oil was at $35 a barrel....

    now with oil at $66, you can get a zero interest car loan from GM...

    sleep tight
     
    #482     Apr 2, 2006
  3. Markets have been pricing strong growth and higher inflation lately. So logically we are returning to a normal yield curve until one of these two things happen:
    <p>a. The Fed changes its rethoric to prepare us for tighter monetary policy; or</p><p>b. Commodity prices go down and the inflation risk premium starts to melt again.</p>
    Another round of successful auctions for long-term maturities in the US and overseas would temporarily flatten the yield curve.
     
    #483     Apr 2, 2006
  4. Not without a USD collapse, and not in this deflationary environment unless we get a round of sub-hyper-inflation.

    I think things are, for better or worse, much less volatile in that respect.
     
    #484     Apr 2, 2006
  5. landboy

    landboy

    My favorite was people closing brokerage accounts and "refinancing" savings accounts.

    A professional I know became successful just by starting a telephone service to quote Short-term note rates at any given clip...
     
    #485     Apr 2, 2006
  6. If it does work out that way, it's a least a decade away
     
    #486     Apr 2, 2006
  7. Hi Steve,

    I'm getting the impression, as I'm been following Gold lately. That Gold is not directly related to inflation, but to the world's economies. They seem to move in sync.
     
    #487     Apr 2, 2006
  8. That would make sense because US growth is what is keeping markets from dumping the dollar but if other economies perform well, there will additional incentives to look for alternatives to the dollar as a reserve currency.
     
    #488     Apr 2, 2006
  9. From what I understand there is a lot of purchasing of Gold in some asian countries because the banks will not secure deposits beyond a certain limit. So the people are encouraged to purchase Gold instead in their savings accounts.
     
    #489     Apr 2, 2006
  10. "Today’s *@?#»! bond traders are faced with a dilemma. Increased levered competition and a plethora of new moneyed non-economic buyers have changed yield, total return and alpha generating expectations in future years. How to cope and combat is the question to be posed and answered. PIMCO suggests in the near term that a total boycott of the bond market is impractical since non-economic central bank buyers should continue to dominate. We do suggest, however, a strategic boycott of most risk assets based on the reality that an investor is not being paid adequately to hold them, as well as the Greenspan assumption that today’s low risk premiums ultimately lead to future periods that end badly. In turn, we currently suggest a substitution of near cash assets and non-dollar currencies for standard index assets. These out-of-index bets ultimately should produce higher returns with less than expected risk if done in moderate quantities. As with people, bad things can happen to historically good assets if driven to overvaluation. Blindly adhering to an index in order to insure a positive but diminishing relative alpha return is probably not an intelligent response to today’s dilemma. Recognizing and ultimately avoiding the tyranny of an index can in effect produce a higher return with less risk. We hope with your guidance to be able to move in that direction in order to remain the future “Authority on Bonds.”"

    William H. Gross
    Managing Director


    Mr. Bill appears to be moving some of his holdings to "treasuries".

    And, I've never been called a: *@?#»! bond trader, cause I'm a *@?#»! stock trader :)
     
    #490     Apr 2, 2006