Bond rally nearing an end?

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by gharghur2, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    I'm just curious about what you're saying here so that I understand. You were thinking that after a run up, that bonds would fall for up to 6 weeks? Wouldn't you still then feel that you could sell and still have more of a breakdown? Please clarify.
     
    #441     Mar 28, 2006
  2. mcurto

    mcurto

    In terms of 10Y vs. Bund spread the big cash levels from one of the dealer commentaries late last week were 95 basis points and 115 basis points (TY over). Late last week their outlook was for wider spreads and I would imagine they haven't changed their opinion that 115 basis points will be tested at least in the near-term. Be careful though sometimes the levels that dealers give in their commentaries are areas they use to offset their current position so those may not hold. I think the bund may be closer to enormous stops though than Treasuries are so would maybe hold off getting short the spread (short tens vs. long bund), but even at these levels probably still a good trade.
     
    #442     Mar 28, 2006
  3. That "crazy talk" you're referring to has officially started.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Sto...D59-4E72-B4F4-8BA4FB5AE909}&siteid=mktw&dist=

     
    #443     Mar 29, 2006
  4. I'm a swing/position trader who likes to ride 4-8 week waves (often until option expiration); and for me an opportunity is when two things occur simultanously:
    1. My statistical data is telling me that one side has exausted a lot of resources to bring prices where they currently are while the other side decided to step aside, waiting for the current trend to show signs of fatigue.
    2. Information processed by overall markets (bonds,stocks,dollar,oil,gold) to get prices where they currently are is becoming repetitive and losing it's effect.

    So one more leg up (to complete the rally that started three weeks ago) would have been the kind of residual activity that would have cleared the table for a slide. Right now, the market is all tangled up and has been so for, I would say, about a week.
     
    #444     Mar 29, 2006
  5. mcurto

    mcurto

    Perfect, now they have to start pricing some of that crazy talk.
     
    #445     Mar 29, 2006
  6. Yes, I heard 5.5% like you suggested last night on CNBC while eating dinner. We're getting closer
     
    #446     Mar 29, 2006
  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Longer term I do pay attention to the news. I do believe we will have at least 2 more rate hikes, maybe more. Commodity prices which had taken a dip will come roaring back and increase inflation worries. There will be some support for bonds coming from money being diverted from equities in the long haul. Bond yields will gradually rise over time.
     
    #447     Mar 29, 2006
  8. Yes, the CRB took quite a hit.
    But like you said it has rallied some.
    It is still in danger of collapsing though, it will have to rally higher with the aide of Crude and Gold.
     
    #448     Mar 29, 2006
  9. I was expecting bonds to go down and drag stocks and oil with them but instead
    • The NASDAQ is still welcoming and celebrating news and comments about solid growth;
    • Bonds are going down, as expected, but mainly because of the way the long end is incorporating additional inflation worries;
    • Oil and gold originally behaved like children trapped in the crossfire of arguing parents (stocks up and bonds down) but eventually the strength of the stock market fueled commodities.
     
    #449     Mar 29, 2006
  10. Hey Steve,

    I noticed something I hadn't seen in quite a while:

    Bonds making new lows for the day ... while Stocks were making new highs

    Think there is some major money coming out of bonds and going into stocks...like in asset allocations of funds
     
    #450     Mar 29, 2006