Bond rally nearing an end?

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by gharghur2, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. John,

    The one point down move was yesterday. Was just pointing out that yield waves were starting to impulse. Don't call anything day to day :)

    However, since this might be a third wave (having finished 1 - 2, 1 - 2) anything is possible, including another one point down day.

    tony
     
    #11     Jan 26, 2006
  2. gharghur2,

    Interesting. I agree with you. I have an Outlier low at 112 09 as a possibility, but that was/is on a condition that we break decisively through 112 15, and so far we haven't.

    John
     
    #12     Jan 26, 2006
  3. nice call, did you sell it?
     
    #13     Jan 26, 2006
  4. Yes Sir, 115 and change!
     
    #14     Jan 26, 2006
  5. Hybrid Thread
    Tony, can you please elaborate on this. Did you think the market was going to stay inverted?
    That is, did you think that long-term rates were going to stay below short term rates thru tax season?

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    I ask this because, trading spreads we see this normalization is about a month overdue.
     
    #15     Jan 26, 2006
  6. Hi !

    You got me there. I do not watch spreads, nor the rate inversion for that matter. Just watch individual markets, and in this arena only the 30 year bond rates.

    I have the data to analyze the other terms, but have not done so, because I spend most of my time on stock indices: US and Foreign.

    I looked casually at the Reuters CRB today and was shocked! It's nearly doubled since October 2001, and still heading higher. So much for those deflationist's scenarios.

    With crude, gold and commodities in bull markets ... guess what's next? I'd imagine that spreads will begin to widen based on my little knowledge of the treasury market.

    What do you think?
     
    #16     Jan 26, 2006
  7. As a reminder, the CRB Index is basically a proxy for oil prices. Last time I checked, about ahem... 10 years ago, oil was constituting about 70-75% of the index. A true commodity index is the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index because each commodity's weigth is based, if I remember well, on the commodity's volume of consumption in the world.
     
    #17     Jan 26, 2006
  8. Hi Steve,

    The Goldman Sachs index:

    Table 1: GSCI Components and Dollar Weights (%)(January 26, 2006)

    Energy 74.79
    Crude Oil 30.90
    Brent Crude Oil 14.40
    Unleaded Gas 7.59
    Heating Oil 8.00
    GasOil 4.31
    Natural Gas 9.60

    Industrial Metals 7.83
    Aluminium 3.15
    Copper 2.87
    Lead 0.35
    Nickel 0.65
    Zinc 0.80
    Precious
    Metals 2.07
    Gold 1.85
    Silver 0.22

    Agriculture 10.59
    Wheat 2.20
    Red Wheat 0.87
    Corn 2.06
    Soybeans 1.40
    Cotton 0.93
    Sugar 2.18
    Coffee 0.77
    Cocoa 0.19

    Livestock 4.70
    Live Cattle 2.59
    Feeder Cattle 0.68
    Lean Hogs 1.44

    Same here!
    Any other ideas?
     
    #18     Jan 26, 2006
  9. Current Reuters CRB Components


    Markets Subgroup Weight
    Energy Crude Oil, Heating Oil, Natural Gas 17.6%
    Grains Wheat, Corn, Soybeans 17.6%
    Industrials Copper, Cotton 11.8%
    Meats Live Cattle, Lean Hogs 11.8%
    Softs Coffee, Cocoa, Sugar Orange Juice 23.5%
    Precious Metals Gold, Silver, Platinum 17.6%

    10 years is a long time to remember :)
     
    #19     Jan 26, 2006
  10. Sorry, I was way off!!!:eek:

    Maybe it was the volatility that represented 70.... Ok I'm spinning my wheels now.
     
    #20     Jan 26, 2006