Bond rally nearing an end?

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by gharghur2, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. If that wasn't the TOP we're very close to it.
     
    #1791     Sep 21, 2006
  2. landboy

    landboy

    Alright admit it, who's being caught short here?
     
    #1792     Sep 21, 2006
  3. Surdo

    Surdo

    No comment!
     
    #1793     Sep 21, 2006
  4. Not me ... still watching the 2yr for the signal.
     
    #1794     Sep 21, 2006
  5. rjmain

    rjmain

    So because this yield curve is beyond screwed up, does anyone have any theories on whether the fed is going to come to the bond market or the bond market come to the fed by letting the yield curve normalize.

    PS. I am one of those idiots who is short long bonds
     
    #1795     Sep 21, 2006
  6. landboy

    landboy

    Personally I am of the feeling that we will the latter. The problem is we are STILL above the Fed's tolerence for targeted inflation, even with the slide the past couple months. I still think the fed is leaning hawkish, and as long as there is no serious indication the economy is about to fall apart I think a pullback would need to be in order to get to where the fed is...

    BTW, trust me I totally feel your situation, you don't know how many times I've been squeezed outta my position... I just got lucky this time.
     
    #1796     Sep 21, 2006
  7. mcurto

    mcurto

    Massive mortgage call buying and convexity-type bid in cash 10s and futures. 2yr finally caught up this afternoon on the rally and steepened the curve quite a bit. I think the mortgages are moving into March options as Dec is becoming more influenced by volatility as it gets closer to front month. They bought nearly 35,000 March 109 calls outright for Countrywide while Wells Fargo rolled calls from Dec 108 and 109 into the March 109 and 110. Flows will take over below this 4.65% yield in cash 10s, because the move to 5.25% started here, so convexity buyers will get dragged in and maybe take us another 5-10 basis points lower in yield.
     
    #1797     Sep 21, 2006
  8. Sounds like they are all getting convinced that rates will stay we're that at or head lower.

    TOP is close at hand!
     
    #1798     Sep 21, 2006
  9. landboy

    landboy

    I knew the mortgage guys would eventually come in... Thanks for the update...
     
    #1799     Sep 21, 2006
  10. Here's a chart that indicates Bonds are close to being done.
     
    #1800     Sep 21, 2006