Bond rally nearing an end?

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by gharghur2, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. Riskarb,

    What language is that ?
    I see derivatives have created a language of their own.
     
    #1011     May 9, 2006
  2. mcurto

    mcurto

    Riskarb,

    So this is a play that the movements in the NOB spread will become more normalized (i.e. that we flatten the NOB in an uptrade and steepen it in a downtrade)? The NOB spread has flattened a pretty good deal in the whole down move of 2006, rather than steepening as most would think in a normal sell-off. The timing somewhat coincides with the second 30yr auction in August (this position expires toward the end of August). Will be interesting to see how it plays out. I think he might have more to do yet, it is possibly Espen's JPM FICC group out of New York City (these same guys put on some strange put and call 1x2 bets that were essentially short straddles and long guts and they played the 10yr perfectly as it pinned the 111 strike 3 expirations in a row in early 2005). Fun stuff.
     
    #1012     May 9, 2006
  3. Haug? Doesn't suprise me. He loves to put on these huge vanilla trades with small exposures. You're correct in your assessment of the trade; long goes flat, short goes steep. It flips modalities as mentioned, but behaves like a short gamma backspread past 2sigma which hurts PnL substantially. There are better alternatives; long NOB/short call ladders in TY. The problems lie in the -gammas accumulated and convergence risk [gamma risk prior to expiration at the strikes]. I dunno, the more I look at it the less I like it. His book on models is good.

    It's a bit obvious to make the combo premium-neutral. In summary; short the vol-box at 380bp and short correlation. Problem is the additional 7000 short TYs to compensate for the large basis risk on the implied-differential.
     
    #1013     May 9, 2006
  4. Surdo

    Surdo

    That is Greek salad to me!
     
    #1014     May 9, 2006
  5. I would like to add a couple more items to the list: industrial and price data coming from Europe this week. The last time the dollar was in a similar situation was in December 2004 when it finally bounced on disappointing inflation and growth statistics from Germany and France.

    Yes, Central banks want to sell dollars but to buy what instead, cacahuetes? We learned today that industrial production in Germany was -2.6% in March while +0.5% was expected. If today's data combined with tomorrow's data on French industrial production and German inflation depicts the same situation again, the dollar will rebound like it did in December 2004 for lack of better alternative.
     
    #1015     May 9, 2006
  6. Caesar salad please :)
     
    #1016     May 9, 2006
  7. Nice scenario Steve!
     
    #1017     May 9, 2006
  8. We focus on the numerator and tend to forget about the denominator.
     
    #1018     May 9, 2006
  9. Is that like the forest and the tree ...
     
    #1019     May 9, 2006
  10. Established long position on 30 Yr's, so I'm in too.
     
    #1020     May 10, 2006