bogus guru thread

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by billyjoerob, Dec 23, 2013.

  1. "But some people really do want to underperform!" is not a persuasive argument.
     
    #31     Jan 5, 2014
  2. Bob111

    Bob111

    the other day i was looking into the funds avaliable at one of my relatives IRA plan:

    https://www.tiaa-cref.org/public/tcfpi/InvestResearch


    TIAA CREF is one of the biggest in the industry,now look at their expense ratios:

    CREF Equity Index Account

    https://www.tiaa-cref.org/public/tcfpi/investment/profile?symbol=41082540

    which is essentially their variation of SPY or R3K, but they charge hefty 0.42% in expenses, compared to 0.09% on SPY. and btw-i don't see any dividends paid to the account holders. maybe they are reinvested? but then there is should be difference in performance? i did read their prospectus, i've asked the questions yet no one can answer where is the divs go from stocks they are holding. they are thiefs. plain and simple. why can't i just buy a f** SPY on my pension plan? why im FORCED to be with them?

    i've also looked into PA muni ETF's,which right now traded at decent yields. yields are good,but expenses? holy s**t!

    http://www.cefconnect.com/Details/Summary.aspx?Ticker=NVY

    Management Fees 0.93%
    Other Expenses: 0.29%
    Baseline Expense: 1.22%
    Interest Expense: 1.21%
    Total: 2.43%

    2.5 f** % for a year to hold few municipal bonds? can you tell me what what the f** is going on here? do you seriously believe that they have to pay huge commissions to get into those bonds? f** no. there is no commissions for that. specially,if you are such big firm and buying them directly. they (local gvt's )will serve you those bonds on a f** silver platter and will kiss you ass on your way to the door. this whole industry is nothing but SCAM,created and existed to extract those bogus 'fees'. at least one have choice here-don't like it-then don't buy. but again-imo-this is outrageous amount
     
    #32     Jan 5, 2014
  3. sle

    sle

    The argument is that some people want to diversify. HFs give them alternative sources of alpha, at least in theory. In reality, of course, most large funds are simply alternative sources of beta.
     
    #33     Jan 5, 2014
  4. sle

    sle

    Of course. Most retail products are like that - hell, charging 50 bp to roll futures is a great scam too.
     
    #34     Jan 5, 2014
  5. SIUYA

    SIUYA

    When someone wants to pigeon hole you (your trading style) they will want to bench mark you against something.
    The MSCI World Index, the S&P, cash rates.....
    They still do it even if you are a 'hedge fund'.
    So what would be your benchmark?

    Its one of the few ways they can tell if you are really adding value or can compare you to similar type funds.....or if you are just managing to take extra risk, or do nothing more than suck fees out.
    Of course outperformance requires usually a longer period of time to properly assess, but most managers are not worth the fees they charge unless they really do provide less risk, similar returns, ,non correlated returns or simply better returns.

    If you are a retail punter then the fees will always get you regardless....and the biggest scandal is that most of the fee money does not go to the actual manager but to the sales guys, platforms and third party folk.
     
    #35     Jan 5, 2014

  6. Do you share profits??

    Are there any fees associated with what you do?

    Are you paying fees and passing thme along or do you list these as operating costs?

    Are you using a MAT approach?

    What is the form of your business structure?

    Please answer anyways you wish or simply diect me to a reference I could not find by researching you
     
    #36     Jan 5, 2014
  7. clacy

    clacy

    Capitalism at its best. Many of these funds are only available only to accredited investors, so I really could care less if a rich guy wants to put money in some other rich guy's pocket for underperformance.

    Chances are these "sophisticated investors" made their money in a similar fashion, albeit in a different industry.
     
    #37     Jan 5, 2014
  8. Bob111

    Bob111

    ---Chances are these "sophisticated investors" made their money in a similar fashion, albeit in a different industry.--

    +1
     
    #38     Jan 5, 2014
  9. sle

    sle

    Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime oublié, parce qu’il a été proprement fait.
    --Honoré de Balzac
    The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly executed.
     
    #39     Jan 5, 2014
  10. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    +1

    I've long felt that statement "There is no perfect crime" was only spouted by idiots and ignoramuses. If nobody ever finds out about it, that's pretty damn perfect IMO.
     
    #40     Jan 5, 2014