Boeing's 737 Max Software Outsourced to $9-an-Hour Engineers

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Banjo, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. Simples

    Simples

    Optimizing the planet and ecosystem to increase currency? Why not just print more money, more currency to all. Oh, just more currency to a select few. QE fixed that already!
     
    #21     Jun 30, 2019
  2. Simples

    Simples

    In the name of lead time to market, QA has increasingly become the sacrificial sheep and bottleneck for the past 20 years already. There certainly have been advances in security, robustness, scalability and componentization as well, but overall, the customer experience has not improved very much. Stuff is relatively slower, more bug-ridden, unintuitive and driven more through social reinforcement than any inherent quality of the interface itself. Problem is, technological excellence won't give you new customers, as through market forces, people choose the cheapest and dirtiest alternatives. However, nothing beats hammering out excellence in every part of design and implementation from the very start. In such cases, QA would almost be an afterthought, though in the aviation industry, as we'll see in the self-driving car industry, QA-processes and regulations over decades are a necessity since the industry don't have the means to overcome competition AND regulate themselves!
     
    #22     Jun 30, 2019
  3. bone

    bone

    And Boeing is reaping the whirlwind for it’s stupidity.

    The stock price has been sodomized accordingly by capitalism - I’d guess orders of magnitude more off the market cap than whatever they saved on software outsourcing. And reputations in safety-sensitive manufacturing are very difficult to mend.
     
    #23     Jun 30, 2019
  4. Welcome to my life for the last 20 years.

    Fixing things from teams in India who always say Yes to land a contract while they have no clue what they are talking about.

    Here's a link for you:

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...are-development-jobs-study/article9652211.ece

    95 per cent of engineers in India are not fit to take up software development jobs.

    The study further noted that while more than 60 per cent candidates cannot even write code that compiles, only 1.4 per cent can write functionally correct and efficient code.

    That is cheap India for you. Enjoy your flight.
     
    #24     Jul 1, 2019
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  5. I wonder then why many software end products that come out of American firms where there are reportedly a lot of Indians toiling are relatively decent.

    So what is going on, can't be both? And if someone is such crappy developer how can they hold a job between h1b sponsorship and attaining a greencard?

     
    #25     Jul 1, 2019
  6. Simples

    Simples

    Any generalizations, for such huge swathes of land and diverse groups of people, are indeed wrong, as indicated above.

    From experience, it's both, having worked abroad at such centers, most people who stay there are decent or excellent in their jobs. They have to be, to survive one hellhole, to get promoted to the next. Often times, it's these two factors: A) The sheer number of people applying for jobs, attempting to better their lives B) All the shithole exploitative circumstances surrounding such ventures. So there's always a promotion somewhere or someone leaving for one reason or another, and there's always fresh meat to the continuous meatgrinder. The rest is the result of circumstances and fallacious management. I guess customers are a-OK with this. If the market is saturated or moving, this perhaps won't be improving the situation either.
     
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    #26     Jul 1, 2019
  7. Simples

    Simples

    Capitalism doesn't live in its own bubble. In other countries where restraint and regulations are non-existing, the same wouldn't make a dent to the ownership, who often may have foreign ties.
     
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    #27     Jul 1, 2019
  8. Generalizations to characterize individuals are wrong. But the average of generalizations are always correct by definition.

     
    #28     Jul 1, 2019
  9. Simples

    Simples

    Interesting take, and my comment wasn't meant as direct response. The average, mean, median, is statistics though, there are many, many averages to choose from. Correct by its own standards, but may be misinterpreted to gain incorrect or out-dated beliefs.
     
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    #29     Jul 1, 2019
  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    The people who always complain are the software engineers who aren’t able to command top dollar for their talents and thus have to compete with lower cost workers.

    It’s not unlike the auto workers complaining about the Asians and the Mexicans in the 1980s and 1990s.
     
    #30     Jul 1, 2019