Bob Novak blasts Bush

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ZZZzzzzzzz, Mar 26, 2007.

  1. What a brilliant idea. Have covert operatives pretend to be support staff at the Agency. Then when they show up in Timbuktu claiming they are the managing director of XYZ Corp, everyone will be fooled.

    Or maybe the Agency could use the spouses of U. S. Ambassadors as covert operatives. No one would ever see through that.

    Maybe there's a reason the CIA has been repeatedly penetrated by moles, that we seem to lack the most basic inteligence, that the CIA is blindsided time after time by things like the north Korean nuke program. It's called incompetency, brought about by decades of political correctness and meddling by liberals. The CIA was grievously wounded by the Church commission in the '70's, it was gutted by Carter, and it was politicized by Clinton. Today we reap the fruits.
     
    #21     Mar 28, 2007
  2. I see you can't refute her claim to be covert.

    At least she had the balls to go under oath before congress, something that the weak kneed panzy Bushites won't do.

    If she was lying, it would be easy for the klan to find get proof from CIA records, and prove she was committing perjury.

    But all the klan can do is try to swift boat her with lies and distortions...

     
    #22     Mar 28, 2007
  3. We've been through this before. The statute gives a very precise definition of "covert" that is far more restrictive than the common understanding which Plame apparently used.

    I will be the first to concede that the administration has mishandled this affair from the beginning. One of Bush's biggest failings was his failure to get control of the CIA. He left George Tennant, a Clinton appointee and former Democrat congressional staffer, in as DCI, and he has paid the price. The CIA became hopelessly politicized during the Clinton years, and Bush's only hope was to install a tough-minded Director who would ruhtlessly purge the Valery Plames from the Agency. Not only did he not do it, but when he finally did get a capable Director, Porter Goss, they lost him to political infighting before he had a chance to clean up the mess.

    When the Wilson affair erupted, the administration again blew it. There was no reason to start a special prosecutor investigation. In fact, they should have started an investigation of the CIA to determine how a broken-down hack like Joe Wilson was sent on such a mission in the first place and why there was not the standard confidentiality agreement.

    Now, instead of confronting Plame at the Waxman media circus, they cowered and let her play the victim card again. Incredibly, the new CIA Director apparently said things to Democrat congressmen that lent credence to her story. Why he felt the need to discuss her with them is an interesting question. Why he didn't testify is another. Why he still has his job is also a good question.

    It's unfair that poor Scooter Libby is the only person who will pay a real price for this saga of ineptitude. Now Bob Novak is reporting that Bush has no intention of pardoning Libby, even as he stands by the laughably inept Al Gonzales.

    The dirty little secret of Washington is that plenty of Republicans would be delighted if the Democrat crazies got their act together and impeached Bush.
     
    #23     Mar 28, 2007
  4. "Incredibly, the new CIA Director apparently said things to Democrat congressmen that lent credence to her story."

    To the repubniklans, the truth is incredible...

     
    #24     Mar 28, 2007
  5. No, what is incredible is that the CIA Director is volunteering statements that undercut the administration.

    As for truth telling, I don't think the party of Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Al Gore and John Kerry is in any position to be pointing fingers. Say, has Rep. William Jefferson, Dem. La., ever explained the $10,000 in his freezer? The same money he was video'd accepting from undercover agents?
     
    #25     Mar 28, 2007
  6. How about just plain telling the truth...

    Or is that a concept that you simply can't understand...

    Hey how about this, you might understand this:

    He tells the truth because he fears if he doesn't tell the truth, is not forthcoming, he may end up on the hot seat himself one day...

    Oh yeah, fear of oversight will do that to folks...given there is oversight power by Congress.

    I'm ignoring your Ditto Headed style strawman...

    Shit, even a brown shirt republican like yourself will have to admit that for 6 years there wasn't much of an oversight process at all over Bush Et. Al, as darn near everything was rubber stamped by a republican congress.

    1 Veto in 6 years...you gotta be kidding me...

    Except for the period following Kennedy's assassination where Johnson got pretty much whatever he wanted, I have never seen a President get such a free pass as Bush did for such an extended period of time...

     
    #26     Mar 28, 2007
  7. Of course it is... it is an alien concept to them :D
     
    #27     Mar 28, 2007
  8. Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to
    many "friends"of the Clintons.

    1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died
    of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key
    witness in Ken Starr's investigation.


    2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July
    1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just
    after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White
    House.


    3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of
    Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound
    to the head, ruled a suicide.


    4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.
    Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to
    the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's
    skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was
    being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with
    prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days
    later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.


    5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton
    fundraising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992


    6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director
    found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by
    Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".


    7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep
    in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey
    died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped
    her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in
    several Clinton fund raising events.


    8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in
    Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside
    Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on
    Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the
    files were mysteriously removed from his house.


    9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that
    he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential
    people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas


    10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent
    hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.


    11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson,
    was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It
    was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as
    if he were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with
    Bill Clinton i n the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible
    corroborating witness for Paula Jones.


    12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancée of Kathy
    Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead
    in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of
    his fiancée.

    13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater,
    died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a
    convicted drug distributor.


    14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was
    related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of
    three gunshot wounds.


    15- Suzanne Coleman an - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when
    he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of
    the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.


    16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf
    from1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.


    17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena
    Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists,
    apparently, in the middle of his investigation.


    18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena
    Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a
    toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a
    report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.


    19-Jon P a rnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution
    Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment
    balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.


    20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely
    with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996.
    Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of
    Commerce.

    21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave
    John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small
    plane crash.


    22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic
    HealthCare Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small
    plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory
    council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.


    23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death
    was no accident.


    24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to
    Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found
    dead after his car had hit a utility pole.


    25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was
    a purported suicide and his report was never released.


    26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died
    March1, 1994 when his plane exploded.


    27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track"
    case.Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug
    operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to
    falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 &nbs p; boys
    had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the
    case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.


    THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

    28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back
    of a truck, 7/88.


    29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988


    30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.


    31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a
    trash dump in April 1989.


    33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled
    his d death was due to "natural causes".


    34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat
    of his pickup truck in June 1990.


    35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was
    killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

    > THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
    > 36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
    > 37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
    > 38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
    > 39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
    > 40-Major General William Robertson
    > 41-Col. William Densberger
    > 42-Col. Robert Kelly
    > 43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
    > 44-Steve Willis
    > 45-Robert Williams
    > 46-Conway LeBleu
    > 47-Todd McKeehan\


    Quite an impressive list!
     
    #28     Mar 28, 2007