Bitcoin Price Thread

dozu888 · Jun 5, 2018

maximumpossiblesuffering said:
1031 tax deferred exchange applies to tangible property used in trade or a business. The IRS definition of “trade” is different than what retail equities, futures, currencies, etc. trader may think of. Buying and selling various cryptocurrencies will not qualify for 1031 tax treatment anymore than an investor “exchanging” SPY for DIA.

To me, the only attraction the cryptos have is there is a higher proportion of unsophisticated participants versus other markets. This implies there may be easier money to be made because sentiment indicators and chart patterns may be more reliable. However, due to transaction costs, account security issues, and potential regulatory changes it is not worth for me to participate.

I suppose you could simply blindly buy all new cryptos, hope you don’t get hacked or otherwise lose your coin and hope the ones that do go up exceed the ones that go down. However the aforementioned idea implies two things: 1) The person who attempts to blindly buys these things does not have edge in trading. If they did, they would focus on their proven system in the particular market they are confortable in. 2) There is potentially no limit to supply for cryptocurrencies with all these new “issues” coming out. This apparent ramping up of supply does not bode well for price appreciation potential as has been seen in the past.

In addition, it is likely that someone will cross some lines in hyping their coin and invite a regulatory response when someone prominent gets hurts directly or indirectly. By indirectly, I mean a credit card issuing bank losing money because the customer finds a way to bypass their cyptocurrency restrictions, loses their creditline, and the bank is left holding the empty bag.

There is no such thing as free money. Unsophisticated participants end up paying the sophisticated traders. At least with equities, a long term investor can collect dividends and or participate in likely long term appreciation of solid ETFs or companies.
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hm good points. yes there seems to be more dumb money in this space, but trading may still be very tricky as the whales have too much manipulation power.

schweiz · Jun 5, 2018

Bloomberg: US DOJ Opens Criminal Investigation Into BTC, ETH Price Manipulation

https://cryptosherald.com/2018/05/2...nvestigation-into-btc-eth-price-manipulation/

Pekelo · Jun 5, 2018

schweiz said:
Bloomberg: US DOJ Opens Criminal Investigation Into BTC, ETH Price Manipulation
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Interesting but I don't think it belongs under their jurisdiction. The crypto brokerages are independent from any oversight, and just because the CFTC decided to introduce futures on it, now suddenly the DOJ is involved and an authority specially with brokerage not even in the USA????

Pekelo · Jun 5, 2018

51% attack on ZenCash

https://www.digitaltrends.com/compu...=push&utm_source=1sig&utm_campaign=One Signal

Esha.J · Jun 6, 2018

Crypto Currencies, still in trend and working well? Is it true?

Pekelo · Jun 10, 2018

Lucky on Saturday I switched all my coins to the Bolivar...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sell-off-incoming-mysterious-asian-144002173.html

Evermore2017 · Jun 10, 2018

bitcoin tanking below $7000, next level $3500?

dozu888 · Jun 10, 2018

Evermore2017 said:
bitcoin tanking below $7000, next level $3500?
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fair value is about $1000 at this point.... eventually should be zero.

ElectricSavant · Jun 10, 2018

The combined wealth of everyone in the world, as of 2014, was only $241T.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-500-trillion-rich-Rothschilds-are-not-on-Forbes-richest-people-list

Iamira said:
what does a gov do when they're in a trillion dollar deficit? create a new hype called " cryptos & bitcoin trading and get everyone to pay for it by taking out loans and mortgages and spike the price to make all of us think ' yes it's possible for it to go back over 20k again! but not everyone will question the fact the rothchild family who's networth over 500 trillion dollar who lends money to global banks and central banks in this world would not like that! they will not give up without a fight hence they have more money to short sell the entire bitcoin all by them selves when they decides to. so i don't believe bitcoin is a great investment for the long run! might be ok to trade but not as an investment!
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ElectricSavant · Jun 10, 2018

What is the best way to short bitcoin in your opinion...anybody?