Out of State (US) births would not have been recorded as being born in the city of Honolulu. jem, I can see that you will never believe anything you don't agree with, and that is fine. There is no possible way for a baby or child to be observed 24 hr a day from birth to adult, so it is possible that somebody could have swapped a native born baby with a foreign baby, if the parents are in part of the conspiracy. In addition, it is possible that birth certificates on state records could be swapped, altered or fabricated. So in that sense NO ONE who has ever been elected president of the US can be proven definitively to have been born in the US.
Loony tunes can do nothing but quote himself... Sort of like the homeless people who walk around in a daze talking to people who aren't even there... Quote from jem: define in unequivocal terms what makes you think Obama is a natural born citizen. Well one thing would be an authenticated "birth certificate" filed at the time of his birth in a Hawaiian hospital. That would probably make him a citizen. To be a natural born citizen - I will let the courts decide but I suspect he would have to show he was born to at least one person who was a U.S. citizen. I might accept other evidence. In short I do not know if he is a natural born citizen or not. And I know only assholes keep playing this game - without admitting the same.
Where did you get it? How do you know it is contains reliable data? how do you know anything about the recording of the place of birth. The federal rules of evidence are good place to start. In the end the point of the Rules of evidence is to allow the trier of fact to examine and weigh trustworthy evidence. from the federal rules of evidence - exception to hearsay rule 803. (states evidence codes are going to be substantially similar.) (6) Records of regularly conducted activity. A memorandum, report, record, or data compilation, in any form, of acts, events, conditions, opinions, or diagnoses, made at or near the time by, or from information transmitted by, a person with knowledge, if kept in the course of a regularly conducted business activity, and if it was the regular practice of that business activity to make the memorandum, report, record or data compilation, all as shown by the testimony of the custodian or other qualified witness, or by certification that complies with Rule 902(11), Rule 902(12), or a statute permitting certification, unless the source of information or the method or circumstances of preparation indicate lack of trustworthiness. The term "business" as used in this paragraph includes business, institution, association, profession, occupation, and calling of every kind, whether or not conducted for profit. I submit if this matter was tested by the rules of evidence a judge would get to the bottom of this question by inquiring about the existence of data recorded or transmitted to the recorder by doctors or staff reports the birth of children in the hospital. The records contemporaneous with the birth would be the decisive evidence. All this other stuff is bullshit. If the original data does not exist - let the record reflect a diligent search for it happened. Then the admissibility and reliability of the weaker evidence would be considered. In short if you tried to produce the document you posted here. A judge would want to know if it is trustworthy. If you were to establish that record as an officially certified record delivered to the court from the custodian in a proper manner. You would still run into and objection as to whether there is a better record. That record would be a birth record recorded at the time of birth by people whose job it was to make the record.
That record is the Certification of Live Birth recorded in the State of Hawaii recorded by State officials whose job it is to make the record under Law. It is prima facie evidence - in any court proceeding - of a fact of birth. You have nothing to support any conspiracy that the record is forged, is false, incomplete, or the State of Hawaii and its officials are lying, have, or are, acting illegally. Where is your evidence to show any of that is the case? Your evidence cannot be that you want to see more proof of something which is already evidentially acceptable to the Courts. You have to show real reason why it is not what it is- ie: a validated Certificate of Live Birth confirming the President as a natural born citizen.. You cannot do that. Therefore you cannot reach any point near rules of evidence because you don't even have a case in the first place. The one thing you do have though, is a tit where your brain should be. So without the wherewithall to think this through, why not save all the mental anguish you must be struggling from and just faith it when you can't understand the frigging obvious. You know , like you do with god.
Mr. Obama could end all of this very easily, and draw a large pool of sympathy at the same time. This issue wont go away, and the voices will be loud and proud in 2012. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=113004
interesting that two of the biggest bible thumpers on et are both birthers. is the something in the grape juice?
Well, my friend, I am going to take that as a compliment. As far as what is in the grape juice......way to much sugar.........tomato juice is much better for you.
Do you still argue the earth is flat? You are a testament as to how important education is.How we have a large ppol of ignoramus' who argue about the birthplace of the potus or how the govt was behind 9-11 or deny global warming is really pathetic and laughable but very deleterious to our country.Just look what happened to this country after being mislead by one such bafoon over the last 8 years.
The WND (world net daily) article first say 2 sources are saying Obama is born in Kenya. If you read more of the links in that article you can see no one really is saying that. Here is the quote I see. "For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his father's birth." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So they only are saying Obamas (fathers) place of birth. The other source the WND talk about is the video of MSNBC in Ghana. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619#31856235 The USA reporter is asking (It does not matter that Obamas (family) is from Kenya, and this is Ghana?) Then the vendor from Ghana of the video says this does not matter because it is the same continent. To me no one is saying Obama is born in Kenya, but more like the people of Ghana know Obama has root with his father. They feel proud of that. Remember this is a poor country.