Birther lawyer Taitz slapped with $20,000 sanction

Discussion in 'Politics' started by tmarket, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. Bobby Jidal is not eligible either because his parents were not citizens. Doesn't matter where you are born if your parents are not Citizens.
     
    #121     Oct 19, 2009
  2. stu

    stu

    State officials in Hawaii have publically stated they have checked and confirm President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.

    It's all over the interweb - has been for a while, although it doesn't stop the conspiracy theorists thinking up some spin or twist. From dodgy birth certificates to non constitutional eligibility.


    The Hawaii State Health Director has already officially and formally stated she has seen the vital records and verifies the President was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen

    You have recognized legal authorities publically stating as fact the certificate and the natural born status.

    Then there are the conspirators and a few jumped up internet "lawyers" with no facts, asserting Obama may not be eligible because they (the conspirators) can make up false statements, presume State Officials would not know what 'natural born' means constitutionally, and develop scenarios which do not correspond with the official records as they have been attested.

    There would by now after all the attention, be prima facie evidence that the records were wrong or false. They've been independently viewed and commented on by so many journalists , there are the birth notices from the two Honolulu newspapers, and all the many and various eccentrics and attention seekers in the world have popped a shot, for goodness sakes.
    Yet there is no evidence to make any case fit for Court.

    Although there will always be the slow witted "lawyers" late at catching on, who couldn't tell a cite from a site, continuously confusing themselves.
     
    #122     Oct 19, 2009
  3. What is not true?

    Sec. 1401. of U.S. Code

    Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

    (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States
    while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his
    attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

    What is not true about that?
     
    #123     Oct 19, 2009
  4. Could be nothing. Could be it doesn't apply to Obama.

    It's a point of logic. IF satisfactory proof had been provided, this issue would have become irrefutable and would have died. That it has not suggests the "proof" offered is in dispute.
     
    #124     Oct 19, 2009
  5. Native born and Natural born are not the same.
     
    #125     Oct 19, 2009
  6. So we have the head of the health department declaring that he is a natural born citizen.

    What does she know about what a natural born citizen is? Its not even explicit what it is in the constitution. Rather its self evident and you can't have a British father and be Natural Born.
     
    #126     Oct 19, 2009
  7. US LAW in plain English

    Natural-born citizen

    Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

    The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

    Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

    Anyone born inside the United States *
    Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
    Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
    Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
    Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
    A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
    * There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

    Can anyone provide another legal definition?

    http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
     
    #127     Oct 19, 2009
  8. Why would you try to confuse him with facts?
    Facts don't count down here in P&R. How you feel counts. Your beliefs, however stupid, count.
    Facts? Fahgedaboudit.
     
    #128     Oct 19, 2009
  9. Only by immature assholes.
     
    #129     Oct 19, 2009
  10. You are confusing native born and natural born. Maybe this will help:

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    #130     Oct 19, 2009