Birth of a trader

Discussion in 'Journals' started by frank8800, Aug 31, 2010.

  1. CL lost its mind today. The T&S and DOM were going crazy. Played on paper for awhile and watched. Nearly every trade I would have taken would have been a full stop or BE. The chart was well behaved, but a much bigger stop was required to trade my setups.

    Things quieted down a little. I watched 2 nice trades that were survivable. Reached down the front of my pants to make sure they were still there, then...

    CL Trade #1
    There was a massive sell off that started to weaken. The 1 min chart gave a textbook pullback entry at 94.90. Was targeting the double bottom at 94.53/94.54 but didn't trust it. Moved to BE+10 after 17 MFE at the end of the entry bar. +10 ticks.

    The Euro traded in a narrow, whippy range most of the day. Around 08:00 it looked tired.

    6E Trade #1
    Took the first clean entry with a survivable stop. Took 6 ticks of heat and waited through 2 more bars before price dropped. +16 ticks.


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    #361     Feb 22, 2011
  2. Here's the Euro

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    #362     Feb 22, 2011
  3. Not much to report. In and out of the office today for personal stuff. Phone calls, pesky clients, etc.

    CL going crazy again, so I just watched. The late morning looked nice, but wasn't able to trade it. Took 1 trade on 6E that didn't work out. Out BE+1.

    Screwed up my video - for some reason it didn't save.
     
    #363     Feb 23, 2011
  4. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    You've seen "Professional driver on closed course. Do not attempt." disclaimers? CL is currently in that mode, only the course isn't closed :D

    If you didn't attain a decent mastery of CL during January's fresh post-holiday volatility, this isn't the environment to practice in with a live account, IMHO.
     
    #364     Feb 23, 2011
  5. Now you tell me...:eek:
     
    #365     Feb 24, 2011
  6. Got handed a lesson in stop survival. CL still on steroids. I played on sim at first. My first trade moved to BE+1 and I got 3 ticks of slip on the close! My next 2 sim trades netted me 50 ticks, so I decided to lock and load and play for real.

    CL Trade #1
    After a massive red candle at 06:05, there was a 50% retrace. Timed a perfect entry off the 1 min chart with my 8 tick stop. Got filled, got a retrace of 9 ticks, then a drop of almost 70 ticks. The signal bar was only 12 ticks high. I needed a 14 tick stop on this to have done it right. -8 ticks.

    CL Trade #2
    Undaunted, I entered short again off the low of a small, gravestone doji. There was a tiny bit of revenge associated with this trade. This would have been a stop out even with a proper stop size. Got 1 tick of slip for my troubles. -9 ticks.

    Traded CL 7 more times in sim for a net of -7 ticks. Don't know how realistic the fills were.

    I had been focusing so hard on CL I missed a trade in the Euro for a BE.

    6E Trade #1
    After pushing higher, 6E dropped below the EMA and made a LL. There was a violent push up past the EMA, but the next bar failed to make any headway. The 08:06 bar failed and I entered short under that bar. Trailed my stop down after each bar's close. +8 ticks.

    Camtasia is broken - couldn't even start the recording. I'll play with it later if I have time.

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    #366     Feb 24, 2011
  7. Here's the Euro chart

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    #367     Feb 24, 2011
  8. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    You need a 20-tick minimum stop and that's if you're using a 1-min chart. If 20- to 30-tick stops affect your trade management, don't trade CL now. Today I had a trade show me 38 ticks profit (2 ticks from my new min target of 40 ticks), then come back to 6 ticks profit before reversing back to my target zone. Later today I had a trade stop me out quickly by just few ticks and I jumped right back in again, considering it nothing more than a noise stop out because my 12-tick stop was too close (should've been 21 ticks, but I was trying to use the 1-min chart to keep it smaller). The re-entry turned into a one way 280-tick move into the close. I thought I was the bees knees for taking 101 ticks of it in about 3 minutes, only to return and see there was no reason for me to have exited. That's the kind of volatility you're dealing with now.

    If you use stop orders at major S/R levels, you can be slipped badly; if you use stop orders at minor S/R levels such as bar breaks on the 5-min chart, you'll be slipped less badly. If you use stops order on the 1-min chart (which is the ONLY way I'm using stops to enter trades), you'll get no slippage or small slippage (so far 2 ticks max for me).

    If you're comfortable with a wild ride, trade CL like you'll never get to trade it again, because these are the kind of days referred to when people say, "Make hay while the sun shines."
     
    #368     Feb 24, 2011
  9. 1.stop using stops

    2. take all indicators off of your charts..price action only on a
    3 seconds, 1 minute, 3 or 5 minute chart

    3. have a plan and trade it.. get yourself out of the trade instead of using a stop

    4. the indicators are indicating you haveno confidence
     
    #369     Feb 24, 2011
  10. Well, ... I do have a plan. Admittedly I'm a little gun-shy at times and don't always follow my rules or take every trade, but am working very hard on this. I'm trying to focus on 1 type of setup exclusively and nail it before adding others. For example, on the 6E today there was a very nice failed pullback short that I watched happen. I didn't take it because I removed those setups from my plan.

    The only indicators I'm using are a 20 EMA and volume. What others do you see? The numbers in the upper right hand side do some arithmetic for me. They're not indicators.

    As far as trading CL without a stop goes - I may be crazy at times, but I'm not stupid. If you trade CL without a stop, I'm not implying you are stupid, but you've got a whole lot more guts than I do!! :D Heck, I even trade 6E with a stop and it's practically a senior citizen compared to CL.
     
    #370     Feb 24, 2011