Billionaire Magellan boss says bitcoin going to zero

KINGOFSHORTS · Jul 19, 2021

How is this possible if bitcoin is the currency of the future and capped at 21m coins. So its even more rare than gold. And Seylor is putting everything he can and then borrowing. So if he is knee deep in it it has to be valuable and to end up worth millions per bitcoin in the future.

easymon1 · Jul 19, 2021

themickey said:
Billionaire Magellan boss says bitcoin going to zero

Tom RichardsonMarkets reporter and commentator Jul 19, 2021 https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-...ss-says-bitcoin-going-to-zero-20210719-p58az5

Magellan’s billionaire co-founder Hamish Douglass has slammed cryptocurrency markets as one of the greatest mass delusions in modern history, as part of a bigger warning that asset prices artificially inflated by government and central bank stimulus may face a day of reckoning.

The veteran investor said it is inevitable crypto crashes to zero when other speculative bubbles eventually run their course and blow up.

“Cryptocurrencies, I have to say, are one of the greatest irrationalities I’ve seen in a very, very, long period of time because of the cult-like following it has behind it and the scale that is behind it,” Mr Douglass said.

Magellan Financial Group co-founder Hamish Douglass: “When we look back in 20 years, it will be the case study of the irrationality.” Luis Enrique Ascui

“There are millions and millions of people participating. Some of the people they’ve never invested before and the only bandwagon they’ve ever got on is the cryptocurrency bandwagon and it’s almost like a religion.”

Over the past year, novice investor favourite bitcoin has soared 235 per cent and jumped nearly 50-fold over five years to $US31,808 on Monday. Its principal rival, ethereum, has soared 164 times in value over five years to $US1910 per coin, with the top two cryptocurrencies boasting a combined market cap of about $US1.1 trillion ($1.5 trillion), despite having zero intrinsic value.

Mr Douglass said he expected to be widely attacked for his views on crypto, but did not care.

“I can’t tell you when that will happen by the way. It could happen shortly, it could happen quite some time into the future ... I think when we look back in 20 years it will be the case study of the irrationality.”

Meme stocks such as Tesla were also specifically singled out by the fund manager as areas of reckless speculation where share prices have nothing to do with the underlying value of the business.

Electric vehicle maker Tesla is up 14-fold over the past five years at the same time as its founder Elon Musk acquired 58.3 million Twitter followers. Other meme stocks such as AMC, GameStop, and Nokia also soared after gaining viral attention on social media platforms like Twitter and Reddit as part of the retail investor phenomenon of 2020.

Uncertain outlook
Mr Douglass was not overly concerned about such asset price bubbles as far as Magellan’s investment performance was concerned, as it had zero exposure. However, he warned of a contagious hit to sentiment if cryptocurrencies’ ballooning popularity creates a systemic risk, where contagion in the event of a collapse hurts broader investor confidence and upends markets.

The fund manager also defended Magellan’s defensive portfolio positioning and investment underperformance over the past 12 months on the basis of mounting risks around a material correction in equities.

Magellan’s flagship global fund returned 10.8 per cent for the year to June 30, versus a 27.5 per cent return for its benchmark the MSCI All World Index.

“I guess it’s a little bit of a wake-up call in Australia with Sydney and Melbourne being back in a hard lockdown,” he said. “We all thought this was over. We were about to get vaccinated. The risk is we get an escaped mutant from this virus. One that evades the vaccines ... This delta one’s frightening at the speed it can spread, but the vaccines still seem to be effective against death.”

Inflation and rates
The other great known unknown risk facing markets over the next 12 months and beyond is inflation, according to the fund manager.

Last week, US inflation data showed prices rising at their fastest pace in 13 years for June as the cost of a broad basket of consumer goods including housing, cars, trucks and petrol shot higher. “Our view is that the most likely outcome, and certainly not the only outcome, is these major inflationary pressures we’re seeing just at the moment will prove to be transitory,” he said.

If June’s inflation surge proves more than transitory, Mr Douglass warned the only outcome is market-shaking higher interest rates and recession. “And that would make it [inflation] very problematic for equity investors around the world.”

Rising risk-free rates as a symptom of inflation also threaten the balance sheets and solvency of many corporations which have taken on debt over the past three to five years, according to the fund manager.

“They’ve leveraged up their balance sheets, their credit ratings have gone down, and there’s been a huge resurgence of speculative-grade junk bond credits out there,” he said. “People have chased these types of credits because interest rates are at zero and people have been reaching for yield so these assets are enormous scale.”

The fund manager cautioned investors not to discount to zero the risk that yields on benchmark risk-free rates in the form of US 10-year Treasuries jump from 1.5 per cent to 3.5 per cent over the medium term.

As risk-free rates rise, investors demand more compensation for the risks around uncertain future cash flows from equities via lower valuations. “As Warren Buffett famously says, interest rates are the gravity of markets. You know higher rates, lower asset prices,” he said.

“And [with] lower interest rates, which we’ve all seen over the last decade, asset prices have soared.”
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Looks like Red, Foreman's dad in That 70's Show.
Red said Gold was going to $100 too.

tiddlywinks · Jul 19, 2021

KINGOFSHORTS said:
How is this possible if bitcoin is the currency of the future and capped at 21m coins.
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Because it is not a currency, nor is it a widespread medium for barter exchange. However, for now it is legal tender in El Salvador and can be used to satisfy El Salvadorian tax and other debt. Other than that, it is a trading card with 21m prints (assuming that number is correct).

easymon1 · Jul 19, 2021

tiddlywinks said:
Because it is not a currency, nor is it a widespread medium for barter exchange. However, for now it is legal tender in El Salvador and can be used to satisfy El Salvadorian tax and other debt. Other than that, it is a trading card with 21m prints (assuming that number is correct).
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All else equal, subtract the btc ramaining in "password lost", owner died, etc.
"A currency in the most specific sense is money in any form when in use or circulation as a medium of exchange, especially circulating banknotes and coins." wiki.

Pekelo · Jul 20, 2021

newwurldmn said:
bidens not done printing money
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But Tether is.

Yoyo Trader · Jul 20, 2021

Overnight said:
Sounds like Hamish is short a whole lotta' bitcoin.
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And is looking to cover.

SunTrader · Jul 20, 2021

So how many big ET ballers are stepping up and shorting BTC currently?

Crickets, crickets.

SunTrader · Jul 20, 2021

newwurldmn said:
bidens not done printing money
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tRump says thank you I haven't paid off my Scotland golf courses yet - even with all the bills I stuck the Secret Service with.

newwurldmn · Jul 21, 2021

SunTrader said:
tRump says thank you I haven't paid off my Scotland golf courses yet - even with all the bills I stuck the Secret Service with.
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Your making that up.

trump would never say that.

he has no intention of paying off those golf courses.

RainMaker3000 · Jul 21, 2021

I'm sure all the paper markets are worth zero in the long run...He's basically on an unconscious level suggesting that Bitcoin is worth an infinite/ zero in relation to the paper markets. What is Bitcoin going to be worth? A good or service that has an intrinsic value for the purchaser...