he doesn't have: he will ask that nobody has an arm That's what Hitler did also in fact ... if history doesn't repeat just a little bit
The more advanced seems to be the Australian governement. Far before 11th September they asked for a vote on spying any of their citizen. They were using the Olympic games as pretext. Today they have forbidden that one can even use an anonymous proxy on internet (which is useful for anybody against hacking).
Justice Dept. Drafts Sweeping Expansion of Anti-Terrorism Act Center Publishes Secret Draft of âPatriot IIâ Legislation By Charles Lewis and Adam Mayle (WASHINGTON, Feb. 7, 2003) -- The Bush Administration is preparing a bold, comprehensive sequel to the USA Patriot Act passed in the wake of September 11, 2001, which will give the government broad, sweeping new powers to increase domestic intelligence-gathering, surveillance and law enforcement prerogatives, and simultaneously decrease judicial review and public access to information. http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=502&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0
Govt has always scared me. So many people have been harassed and punished as if the bill of rights was never in place. A lot of them asked for it but still, the rights were supposed to extend to everybody, not just the economically successful and mainstream. Then there is the Los Angeles City Council declaring they are against war. In my book any government that can't keep the children (gangs) from running the place at night has no right to any opinion. Max
If our government is so evil, corrupt, hypocritical and uncaring, why would anyone who feels that way insist on continuing to live in this country? Wouldn't it make sense to find a kinder, gentler nation to live in? Or is the government that way only when there's a Republican in office?
Who gives a friggin f^%K if it's reps or dems creating these abortions? THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SERVE US and NOT TO US TO SERVE THEM. What the friggin bs are you spewing out? hapaboy.... it is fully understandable that you will obey anyone who tells you to jump kill give up your liberties throw away the constitution.Are you sure you were not raised in Chicago by that priest, and your real nick is hop-on-my-lap-boy? What was he a rep or dem? Did he teach you to be a yes man(woman) without questioning? Apparently that is the case, really feel sorry for you IT IS THE CIVIC duty of every TRUE AMERICAN AND PATRIOT to question infringements on constitutional rights AND effect changes. Man are you a US citizen? or you just come here and spew garbage? here a bone for you to chew on: If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams YOU really need to move out of the country read up: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12779&perpage=6&pagenumber=7
Traderfut, as usual your posts are not only totally classless and base, but inaccurate to the extreme. Samuel Adams made that quote in 1776, and he was referring of course to Britain. Unless the point you're trying to make is that our present administration is the modern-day equivalent. If so, you're a bigger loser than you first appear to be, and that's saying a lot. If you want to quote Adams, why don't you chew on these bones: Courage, then, my countrymen, our contest is not only whether we ourselves shall be free, but whether there shall be left to mankind an asylum on earth for civil and religious liberty. Let us contemplate out forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event. You have now in the field armies sufficient to repel the whole force of your enemies and their base and mercenary auxiliaries. The hearts of your soldiers beat high with the spirit of freedom; they are animated with the justice of their cause, and while they grasp their swords can look up to Heaven for assistance. Your adversaries are composed of wretches who laugh at the rights of humanity, who turn religion into derision, and would, for higher wages, direct their swords against their leaders or their country. So who's picking up your bar tab nowadays? Sean Penn? 100% US citizen by the way. And, unlike you, proud to be one. p.s. PLEASE take some spelling and basic grammar lessons. Your posts are painful enough to try and read, let alone understand, as it is...
Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war Secret document details American plan to bug phones and emails of key Security Council members Martin Bright, Ed Vulliamy in New York and Peter Beaumont Sunday March 2, 2003 The United States is conducting a secret 'dirty tricks' campaign against UN Security Council delegations in New York as part of its battle to win votes in favour of war against Iraq. Details of the aggressive surveillance operation, which involves interception of the home and office telephones and the emails of UN delegates in New York, are revealed in a document leaked to The Observer. The disclosures were made in a memorandum written by a top official at the National Security Agency - the US body which intercepts communications around the world - and circulated to both senior agents in his organisation and to a friendly foreign intelligence agency asking for its input. The memo describes orders to staff at the agency, whose work is clouded in secrecy, to step up its surveillance operations 'particularly directed at... UN Security Council Members (minus US and GBR, of course)' to provide up-to-the-minute intelligence for Bush officials on the voting intentions of UN members regarding the issue of Iraq. http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,905899,00.html
from another forum: "Man... We've just about go two feet on the Great Slippery Slope... Here's the scenario: 1) Raise taxes to pay for spent "money" 2) Currency Exchange Controls to prevent dollar flight 3) Travel, etc restricted by Nat Id Card (already approved!) 4) Integration of major gov databases (done deal as well) Now imaginge if you've not paid enuf taxes. Or if you have an unpaid parking ticket from a vacation in Vegas last year...Can you imagine the forces that could be brought to bear? Taxes can be interpreted to deal with money laundering - which is a national security issue. And you can be held w/o habeus corpus for unlimited consecutive 6 month terms... Think I'm paranoid? I guy just got arrested for wearing a "give peace a chance" T-shirt. A kid was just expelled from university for writing the Prez a letter criticizing war policy... I DARE you to try and buy a plane ticket with cash (you get a private exam in a windowless room) And a "pilot" program at Delta Airlines links the ticket counter girls with a database that shows where you live, where you bank, any offenses, etc... This is real, current events...You do the math... Privacy? Does anyone wonder about the net effect? " Talk about trading freedom for security