Pailin is not the main cause, but helped in costing voting blocs for McCain. Before the pick of Pailin numerous polls nad pundits had it pretty even between the two. But plenty of Independent voters were scared shitless of her being one breath away behind an older President. Abrams could do the same to Biden. In my honest opinion, all Abrams does is bring in votes that were already going to be voting Democrat so Abrams assistance is primarily in the democratic primaries, not the general election.....where it counts.
Not that I'm for or against her, but consider her actual credentials against Trump's imagined ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Abrams
All the talk about her is a riskless trade for Abrams. She lost and is "between jobs" and now her banner is being flown throughout the media. If she runs with Joe and that looks good, ie he gets the nom, then just keep doing that, if he does not get it, well then just pivot over and use all that glitter and attention to pick up the senate seat in Georgia. I think the timing lets her do both. Not sure. but I think so. Riskless trade. Most likely Joe will super, super allude to picking her right out of the gate but will not do it. Too early in the game. And that works for her too. She and Beto are regional candidates. They are dependent on the media fascination to bump them up. Stacy Abrams is going to be elected to the Senate from Georgia in 2020.
Black voters are pissed enough at Trump that they might vote like they did for Obama without a black candidate on the ticket but a black candidate on the ticket guarantees it.Hillary would probably be president if she had picked a black vp.
To many black voters stayed home.Abrams solves that problem in 2020 ://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/332970-voter-turnout-dipped-in-2016-led-by-decline-among-blacks Voter turnout dipped in 2016, led by decline among blacks By Reid Wilson - 05/11/17 02:05 PM EDT The percentage of eligible Americans who showed up to the polls in November dipped slightly to the lowest rate in sixteen years, led by a sharp drop-off in the number of black voters casting ballots. New data released Wednesday by the Census Bureau shows an estimated 61.4 percent of Americans over the age of 18 cast ballots, down from the 61.8 percent who voted in 2012 and well below the 63.8 percent who voted in 2004, the recent high-point of voter participation. White voters were most likely to turn out; 65.3 percent of whites told Census Bureau surveyors they voted in 2016, more than a full percentage point higher than their participation rate in 2012. But voter turnout among black voters fell almost seven percentage points, to 59.4 percent, the Census figures show — after hitting an all-time high of 66.2 percent in 2012. Fewer than half of Asian Americans and Hispanic Americans turned out to vote; 49 percent of Asians and 47.6 percent of those of Hispanic origin showed up to the polls last year. Demographers point to declining black turnout and relatively low Hispanic turnout — two voting blocs on whom Democrats are increasingly reliant — as two of a handful of reasons Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton fell short in a handful of key battleground states last year. Black turnout fell 2 points and Hispanic turnout tumbled by a whopping 34 points in Michigan, a state President Trump won by just over 10,000 votes after Clinton fell short of matching President Obama's vote totals in Detroit. In Wisconsin, another state Trump barely won, fewer than half of black voters cast a ballot; four years ago, when Obama carried the state, 78 percent of blacks voted. Turnout among black voters fell seven points in Florida, and turnout among Hispanic voters there, who make up critical voting blocs stretching from Miami-Dade County to Orlando, fell eight points. That ended a streak of four consecutive elections in which black and Hispanic voters showed up in increasing numbers. At the same time, white voters, who disproportionally backed Trump, turned out at a slightly higher rate in Florida than they had in 2012. "These numbers point up a fairly pervasive decline in black turnout along with modest though uneven gains for whites," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institute. The declining turnout and Republicans' success in winning over more white voters "helped to explain shifts to Trump in several swing states." November's contests were decided by an electorate that looked whiter than what many demographers had expected. Between 1980 and 2012, the share of the electorate made up of non-Hispanic whites dropped from 87.6 percent to 73.7 percent; in 2016, demographers expected that number to drop again, as the diverse millennial generation takes on a larger role in the body politic, replacing older generations that were less racially diverse. But the Census Bureau data shows that 73.3 percent of the electorate in 2016 was made up of non-Hispanic whites, a statistically insignificant drop from four years before. The unexpected stasis, even as the country becomes more racially diverse, is explained by the drop in minority turnout. That made 2016 only the second election since 1980 that the share of the electorate made up of non-Hispanic whites did not decline by a significant margin. The decline in black participation is all the more stark after 2012, when for the first time the Census Bureau said blacks voted at a higher share than non-Hispanic whites. Still, the percentage of blacks who voted in 2016 was six points higher than the recent nadir, in 1996, when only 53 percent of blacks cast a ballot. The data offers both hope and warning signs to Democrats plotting their political comeback, and Republicans trying to hold on to their victories. On one hand, the data shows Democrats can chart a path back to political power by boosting turnout even at the margins among Hispanic and black voters. The party does not need to replicate Obama's 2008 and 2012 turnout machines; it simply needs to come close in large urban centers in key states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Florida. On the other, it shows the demographic shift that threatens to doom Republicans — who are more reliant than ever on white voters — is manifesting itself more slowly in the electorate than in the population as a whole. That fact gives Republicans time to build new inroads to minority communities, where the party has struggled to attract support. Younger voters grew as a share of the electorate, both as more millennials reach voting age and as they become turnout targets for both parties. Michael McDonald, a political scientist at the University of Florida, said turnout among voters between 18 and 29 years of age grew by 2.5 percentage points, the largest increase of any age group. But older voters are still much more likely to cast a ballot: More than 70 percent of those over the age of 65 voted in November, far higher than the 43.4 percent of 18-29 year olds who voted. Two-thirds of those between the ages of 45 and 64 voted, according to Frey's analysis. The Census Bureau's data relies on a survey the agency conducts to supplement the much larger Current Population Survey. Other surveys have concluded that a smaller number of eligible voters actually cast ballots: One study for the group Nonprofit Vote, in which McDonald took part, found 60.2 percent of the nation's 231 million eligible voters cast a ballot in November. That figure was higher than the percentage of eligible voters who turned out in presidential elections between 1972 and 2000, though it fell below the recent pinnacle achieved in 2008
I cannot see Biden choosing Stacy Abrams for V.P. There are bad decisions and there are just plain fucking stupid decisions. There are many better choices for him to make, even if he chooses to go the full pander to black voters.
And there are many better choices for Abrams to make then getting attached to Biden when she has the Senate thing going. It serves both of them to play with it at this phase though. Biden needs rumors about her joining the ticket to counter the color of his skin and age- because dems hate white, old, men. And she needs him because she has no job right now and all those rumors about her being worthy for a national ticket are a boon. Finalizing the deal? That's another matter. Booker be having a little game like that going too. He believes that he needs to counter all the rumors of his being gay and people wondering about having no first lady, etc. And he is an asshole so adding a reality tv romance aspect to it makes him more media-worthy. Finalizing any deal there is another matter. Plus who cares. Biden will still be an idiot, and Booker will still be an asshole. If the think hanging pom-poms to the mirror in their car will add something to their campaign, go for it. That business of designating a vp early on in the game has been tried a couple times. Most recently with Cruz and Carly Fiorina and then, I think, in one of Reagan's earlier failed attempts. Not a winning strategy. So I am all for it. I dont see it happening. I do see some playing around with the possibility of it happening as part of their campaign shtick. The bottom line is that the dems have let Joe know that they dont think he is a complete package so he better be talking about someone else to be his service dog.
This entire business is depressing. The quoted article was like a calculated kill shot at the Biden effort. Smother it in the crib. A few dirtbags who funded Obama are cited as if they have sound judgment. I donpt doubt it happened. Biden tried to hit them up, that's what pols like him do, and they gave him the cold shoulder. They think they see which way the wind is blowing and they are desperately trying to point that way. I'm sure they will fit right into the party of Rep. Hijab and AOC. Beto is this cycle's John Edwards. Total fucking zero who is non-threatening compared to the real cutthroats and crooks in the field. It's very depressing that the choice will be between one of this crew and Trump, who has double-crossed his MAGA supporters and deserves to be publically humiliated.
Oh from her it is a no brainer... from Joe's side I wonder if it is just a way to get the leg up on the primaries but really has a Pailin affect on his election if he gets the Dem nomination.