Biden says coal plants 'all across America' will be shut down, replaced with wind and solar

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ids, Nov 4, 2022.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    New "facts". Right, the last few years of "facts" coming out are entirely the reason why I don't believe a word of it.
     
    #41     Jan 11, 2023
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    So you've tossed the baby out with the bathwater. Well done.
     
    #42     Jan 11, 2023
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    If remaining skeptical in the face of what is an obvious narrative switch (suddenly blaming natural gas for asthma in the face of a war on fossil fuels - how convenient) then yeah, hold the window for me while I make this toss.
     
    #43     Jan 11, 2023
  4. Ricter

    Ricter

    Skepticism is fine. But the article I linked to, which discusses the finding of peer-reviewed scientific research, needs to be addressed properly. Cynicism is not the proper way to do that.
     
    #44     Jan 11, 2023
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    No, I absolutely believe in the Scientific Method, which we threw out completely during COVID (and continue to do - anyone who challenges the narrative is a heretic). So I can't dismiss the bloomberg article you mentioned about peer-reviewed research, I have to accept that it is possible. But given the war on the Scientific Method in these last few years, I am inherently skeptical of accepting narrative changes that conveniently push behavior to where big government wants us to go - suddenly coming out at the exact opportune time. But, given I am not a scientist, I can't make a scientific argument for or against, and have to wait for other competing science to address it. My skepticism doesn't stop that process.

    And even if it was true, and natural gas causes asthma in some human beings, I'd really want to examine whether or not the cost/benefit of that vs. the price increase of not using NatGas would impact the poor would be worth it.

    That was the problem with COVID. Decisions were made assuming the equation only had one variable - health. Economics, child development and livelihood be damned. And that was a huge mistake.
     
    #45     Jan 11, 2023
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Give me a "dumb", clean, non leaky stove. You can take the wifi data mining features of the oven, call it a wash
     
    #46     Jan 11, 2023
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  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    Yes, in a C/B analysis of this one technology AND its inevitable unintended consequences, considered apart from ALL technology's costs, but including all technology's benefits, then of course it's not worth eliminating or even possibly regulating it—it's microscopic. This is a central problem of an economics divorced from an ecological, read holistic, mindset.

    I sense you are not going to be comfortable during the contraction to come.
    :)
     
    #47     Jan 11, 2023
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    Lol, indeed. But curtailing non-essential technology and consumption is not within today's Overton window. Except among that small and fringe group we call environmentalists.
     
    #48     Jan 11, 2023
  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    OMG, this is the most BS narrative I have ever heard. I grew up in a NG stove house. We never had any problems, because our house was properly ventilated. (We had windows). This shit is outrageous.

    I cannot wait until some dumbfuck millennial congressperson just bans all fossil fuels by 2025, and the entire world stops. Because you cannot have this human society without fossil fuels. We're not ready.
     
    #49     Jan 11, 2023
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Interesting. This should throw enough "skepticism" on any peer reviewed "study".









     
    #50     Jan 12, 2023