Biden 2020

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Apr 6, 2019.

  1. Nope. That type of analysis and comparison is what your ilk does. Trump and the republicans want to get through it without it being a negative but none of them buy into the idea that a virtual convention or even a live convention is at the core of getting out there and messaging. The DNC Joe Biden Jerry Lewis Telethon is all you guys got and all Joe has. That is not true for Trump.

    Heh. Leave it to Joe or his campaign to have that drive-in theater look with people in their cars watching the big screen. Retro 1950's look. Highly appropriate for Joe. Just add in the A&W Root Beer. Feel the burn.
     
    #2951     Aug 21, 2020
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  2. UsualName

    UsualName

    I see so the Republicans criticism of the democrat convention was baseless according to you. There being no negatives is the key in your opinion.

    Convention bounces are real. Candidates come down from the high but it is an important kickoff. If Republicans go in there with a dud and get no bounce they will have missed an opportunity.
     
    #2952     Aug 21, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's see what FOX has to say about Biden's acceptance speech...

    "As even Fox news was forced to admit, if your major campaign strategy is to try to paint your opponent as a senile, doddering old man, all it takes is one speech like the one Biden gave last night, and that plan is shot to hell. "


    Chris Wallace says Biden blew 'a big hole' in Trump's 'mentally shot' claim with DNC acceptance speech
    'After tonight, Donald Trump will have to run against a candidate, not a caricature,' says 'Fox News Sunday' host
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chris-wallace-reaction-joe-biden-dnc-speech

    Joe Biden accepted the Democratic nomination for president Thursday night with an "enormously effective" speech that "blew a hole" in President Trump's characterization of the former vice president, "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace said.

    "Remember, Donald Trump has been talking for months about Joe Biden as [being] mentally shot, a captive of the left," Wallace said during Fox News special coverage of the Democratic National Convention. "And yes, Biden was reading from the teleprompter and a prepared speech, but I thought that he blew a hole, a big hole, in that characterization."

    "It seems to me that after tonight, Donald Trump will have to run against a candidate, not a caricature," Wallace added.

    After Biden finished his remarks, in which he promised to restore the "soul of America" and deliver the nation from "darkness," Fox News chief political anchor Bret Baier praised Biden as "the best he's been" during the topsy-turvy campaign.

    "He's not known for his public speaking, but this -- after seeing him speak on the stump many, many times -- was the best he's been as far as his delivery," Baier said.

    "He obviously started off very pointed against President Trump, something that people didn't know whether he was going to do or not, saying that character is on the ballot; compassion is on the ballot; decency, science, democracy, they're all on the ballot..."

    In his remarks, Biden cited four major crises facing America: the coronavirus pandemic, the accompanying economic downturn, climate change and the demands for racial justice from communities who, as he put it, "know the injustice of a knee on the neck."

    "This is what he needed to do with this crowd and the crowd around the country," Baier said, "but the question [is], was it enough to affect this race and give him a bounce?"
     
    #2953     Aug 21, 2020
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  4. Yes. That's right. Pretty much so for the republican "convention" . Just no negatives works. They dont have to figure out how to put on a major telethon to compensate for their candidate having been in the basement for months.

    I have little or no interest in either convention and any viewership they are getting- as little as it is- is largely driven by the fact that we are in an epidemic and nothing else is going on. 99.99% of those who watched the dem convention or the republican convention would gladly turn off the tv and head out if they heard that the local buffet was open.
     
    #2954     Aug 21, 2020
  5. UsualName

    UsualName

    Brett Baire asked the right question in my opinion, whether Biden Harris will see a bounce. Even if this was a normal year I’m not sure Biden would be able to get much of a bounce. He is regularly polling at 50% getting higher than that is difficult.

    Trump on other hand needs to get his polling up.
     
    #2955     Aug 21, 2020
  6. Well, more precisely, that is what Chris Wallace - a registered democrat- said rather than Fox News as a whole. Certainly others on Fox said some differing things. As hard as it is for the lefties to accept, it is true that Fox has a diversity of opinions with Donna Brazille, Juan Williams, Jessica Tarlov, and Obama bootlicker Marie Huff sitting there too along with the conservatives.

    It might be nice for some of these commentators to establish how many people in America other than hard core dems already voting dem actually watched Joe's speech last night before even getting to the issue of whether it was a gamechanger or not.
     
    #2956     Aug 21, 2020
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    I think this faulty thinking. Winning gets done by meeting the challenges of the day and maximizing opportunities. Republicans coming in Ho hum won’t be good.

    I will say this, no negatives isn’t as bad as negatives so I guess there’s a point there.

    Democrats tried and they got some positive points out of their convention, not like in years past though.
     
    #2957     Aug 21, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Parties typically see a bounce after their conventions complete --- so a "bounce" is expected. The question is "how much of a bounce" compared to previous DNC conventions.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that the RNC is coming up shortly and the Republicans will also typically see a bounce after their convention -- which gets back to the question of how big of a bounce.

    In my opinion these post conventions bounces do not have staying power and are next to meaningless. The debates which occur much closer to the election are much more meaningful from a polling perspective -- especially among unaffiliated voters.
     
    #2958     Aug 21, 2020
  9. Most of us have been around long enough to know how the dance works.

    If a candidate gets a bounce from the convention then their campaign says that is proof positive that their candidate is on a roll.

    If they don't get a bounce, then we hear the same old shtick about how the real campaign does not begin until after Labor Day and no one pays attention to anything before that, blah, blah, blah.

    The notion that concerns about Joe's fitness were assuaged or attenuated last night by reading from a teleprompter are absurd. It's like saying grampa is okay because he found his car keys that day because he read the note you left him on the fridge reminding him where they are. The whole dem campaign is designed to run out the clock while Joe is up in the polls and keep him from the public in freestyle settings. That is a nightmare for a campaign manager and they are all nervous kitties.
     
    #2959     Aug 21, 2020
  10. Yeh well, everyone gets to run their own campaign.

    Trump needs to do okay at the convention but he needs to maximize opportunities just as you said. And he needs to maximize what works for him. Joe needs to maximize the convention and the teleprompter because that is all he has going. Trump just needs to get it over with and continue on getting out and about. Whether Mike Pence is just boring or extremely boring at the convention does not matter in the scheme of things. Everyone will be out taking care of business both before and after the convention. Joe needs the convention to pack in people around him such as the Obamas and those Hollywood types with their tits because there is no enthusiasm for Joe as a standalone cardboard cut-out candidate.

    The main feature at the dem convention was the Obamas and Hollywood tits.

    The main feature at the pub convention will be Trump.

    See if you can spot the difference that that might make for the longevity of any bump that occurs. We know that Joe will be looking good in any setting where he has the Obamas with him and the Hollywood tits with him. After that, it's back to ho-hum.
     
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    #2960     Aug 21, 2020