Hillary won NH in 2008 and Sanders won it in 2016.The contest starts when black voters start voting. Iowa is a low turn out caucus nobody takes it very seriously.
Caucuses are some bullshit anyway. It’s like locking the capsulets and the montagues in a gymnasium and throwing a sword in the middle. That’s not democracy.
Yes, we will most likely see a brokered convention with Bernie Sanders spoiling any chance of a kumbaya moment. This is the democrat party of 2020.
Can't disagree with that. When the party shits the bed I can't predict which direction the splatter will go. And no poll is gonna help anyone there. It will be more like a changing Whip count as pundits interview delegate after delegate, and then it all changes two hours later, and then again....and..
Looking like the Monmouth poll was an outlier and should be tossed. But what the polls are showing is there is a lot of confirmed jockeying between Sanders and Warren, and I got to say Sanders looks the stronger of the two.
I dont know whether it should be tossed or whether it just needs to be recognized that it is not necessarily an equivalent poll. I think it looks partially at a mix of national voters but then gives heavy weight to early primary state voters. That's a valid thing to look at. Just not the same. Gonna be the poll game for a long time to come. In general they can all be picked apart, but when they all begin to trend the same way, well then that is something to think about. Bernie is going to be tying up a lot of votes for a long time to come. But Bernie is not going to be the nominee. So it just delays the inevitable shake-out. It is made worse by the fact Warren does not dare to go after Bernie because they share the same leftyness and she wants his votes. You can say that they default to Biden, but, she has a lot of future voters there with Bernie. We can quibble over how many, but enough to help her. And of course Biden is going to eventually go down too, so he would just be holding them in escrow anyway even if bernie went down tomorrow- which he will not- bernie is going to the very very end.
Ohh boy. Here go again. Okay, I admit I just read the first couple paragraphs- from the Washington Post here- but I am going to go ahead and guess that when I read the whole thing later it will be unpretty- yet again. As he campaigns for president, Joe Biden tells a moving but false war story Biden's dramatic and shifting story about a U.S. soldier's medal Former vice president Joe Biden has frequently jumbled the details of a dramatic story from one of his many visits to U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan. (Monica Akhtar/The Washington Post) August 29 at 12:37 PM HANOVER, N.H. — Joe Biden painted a vivid scene for the 400 people packed into a college meeting hall. A four-star general had asked the then-vice president to travel to Kunar province in Afghanistan, a dangerous foray into “godforsaken country” to recognize the remarkable heroism of a Navy captain. Some told him it was too risky, but Biden said he brushed off their concerns. “We can lose a vice president,” he said. “We can’t lose many more of these kids. Not a joke.” The Navy captain, Biden recalled Friday night, had rappelled down a 60-foot ravine under fire and retrieved the body of an American comrade, carrying him on his back. Now the general wanted Biden to pin a Silver Star on the American hero who, despite his bravery, felt like a failure. “He said, ‘Sir, I don’t want the damn thing!’ ” Biden said, his jaw clenched and his voice rising to a shout. “’Do not pin it on me, Sir! Please, Sir. Do not do that! He died. He died!’ ” The room was silent. “This is the God’s truth,” Biden had said as he told the story. “My word as a Biden.” Except almost every detail in the story appears to be incorrect. Based on interviews with more than a dozen U.S. troops, their commanders and Biden campaign officials, it appears as though the former vice president has jumbled elements of at least three actual events into one story of bravery, compassion and regret that never happened. Biden visited Kunar province in 2008 as a U.S. senator, not as vice president. The service member who performed the celebrated rescue that Biden described was a 20-year-old Army specialist, not a much older Navy captain. And that soldier, Kyle J. White, never had a Silver Star, or any other medal, pinned on him by Biden. At a White House ceremony six years after Biden’s visit, White stood at attention as President Barack Obama placed a Medal of Honor, the nation’s highest award for valor, around his neck. The upshot: In the space of three minutes, Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony. He has continued to add to that total since then. Biden has used war stories to celebrate military sacrifice and attack Trump’s version of patriotism, built around ferocity and firepower. The former vice president, like Trump, never served in the military. But Biden’s son Beau Biden, who died of brain cancer in 2015, deployed to Iraq as an Army lawyer in 2008, and the candidate ends almost all of his speeches with the refrain: “May God protect our troops.” Embedded in Biden’s medal story are the touchstones of his long career: foreign policy expertise, patriotism and perseverance through grief. Biden’s first public recounting of his trip to Kunar province, made shortly after his return in early 2008, was largely true, but not nearly as emotionally fraught as the versions he would later tell on the campaign trail. In 2008, then-Sen. Biden, along with Sens. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) and John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), flew by helicopter to Forward Operating Base Naray, not far from Afghanistan’s border with Pakistan. There, they watched as Maj. Gen. David Rodriguez presented a Bronze Star for valor to Spec. Miles Foltz, who braved heavy Taliban fire to rescue a wounded soldier. Spec. Tommy Alford had been manning his machine gun atop a hill when a Taliban bullet sliced through his jaw and neck. Foltz pulled Alford behind a nearby rock, stanched his bleeding and then took over his friend’s weapon. Two soldiers were killed during the ambush, but Alford survived and even returned to the unit a few months later to finish his combat tour. “It was pretty ballsy, what Foltz did that day,” said retired Col. Chris Kolenda, who was Foltz’s commander in Afghanistan. “It was pretty awesome. . . . He saved a lot of lives.” For Foltz, the memory of Biden’s visit and the Bronze Star remain bittersweet. “I wrote about it for an English class when I was going through college,” he said. “I can’t remember how I phrased it, but it’s like the medal helps hold down all the guilt for all the things I didn’t do that day.” Biden returned home from his trip in 2008 worried that the United States was losing the war and moved by the battlefield award ceremony. “I know it sounds a little corny,” he said in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, “but I don’t think there was a dry eye in the house.” he told it at a World War II ceremony in Australia. In this version, Foltz, a young soldier, had been replaced by the apocryphal and much older Navy captain who in Biden’s telling “climbed down about 200 feet” into a ravine and retrieved his wounded friend who died. The Bronze Star was upgraded to a Silver Star. This time, Biden said he was the one who pinned the medal on the officer, not the general. “Sir, with all due respect, I do not want it,” Biden recalled the officer saying. Months later, as the angry and divisive 2016 presidential campaign kicked into high gear, Biden’s story of the medal ceremony grew more harrowing and less accurate. He told it at an October rally for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in response to comments from Trump suggesting that some troops weren’t mentally strong enough to handle the rigors of combat. “Where the hell is he from?” Biden asked of Trump that day in Florida. This time, Biden shifted the setting from Afghanistan to Iraq. Instead of rappelling down a ravine, an Army captain pulled a dead soldier out of a burning Humvee. “He died. He died, Mr. Vice President,” Biden recalled the officer saying. “I don’t want the medal.” Biden jabbed at the air with his index finger and yelled, “How many nights does that kid go to sleep seeing that image in his head, dealing with it?” The Pentagon has no record of an Army captain receiving a Silver Star in Iraq during the time period Biden describes. Three weeks later, stumping for Jason Kander, an Afghan War veteran running for the Senate in Missouri, Biden told both the Iraq and Afghanistan versions back to back in a single speech. First it was the Navy captain who rappelled down the ravine in Kunar. “He died. He died. I don’t deserve it,” Biden quoted the medal recipient as saying. Then he segued to the Army officer, the burning Humvee and Iraq. “This is the God’s truth,” Biden said. “As I approached him in a full formation . . . ‘Sir,’ he whispered to me, ‘Sir, please don’t. Please don’t pin that on me. He died, Sir. He died. I didn’t do my job. He died.’ ” Then, on Friday, came New Hampshire. The setting was a town hall meeting about health care. Someone asked a question about mental health and Biden started talking about post-traumatic stress disorder and the heavy toll of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He pulled his daily schedule from the pocket of his blue blazer, an American flag pin affixed to its lapel. For the past 13 years, Biden’s rundown has included a daily tally of the dead and wounded from the war zones. “I call every morning to the Defense Department — not a joke — to learn exactly how many women and men have been killed in Afghanistan or Iraq,” he told the crowd. “Nothing bothers me more than when someone says approximately 6,000 died. No, it is 6,883 as of this morning.” In a 2016 interview that Biden did with National Geographic. Here’s how Biden remembered it: “You see the look on his face — he says, ‘Sir, I don’t want it. I don’t want it. He died. He died.’ ” Workman’s version is the same, but with one added detail. He recalled Biden meeting his gaze. Workman told the vice president that he didn’t want the medal. “I know you don’t,” Biden replied softly. Eight years later, Workman still remembers how Biden looked at him. “He has that look where his eyes can see into your eyes,” Workman said. “I felt like he really understood.” Julie Tate contributed to this report.
Wayyyy to go Joe. Keepin it real. Let's run this by the Squad and get their thoughts about you. Shall we? Oh, I see. You have evolved. Joe Biden warned about ‘welfare mothers driving luxury cars’ in a 1988 column https://www.insider.com/biden-warned-welfare-mothers-driving-luxury-cars-1988-column-2019-8
Ok wait a second.... this story is full of holes. A Navy Captain is an O-6. An O-6. That's a bird colonel in all the other branches. One step below flag rank. O-6's aren't rappelling down cliffs under fire in Afghanistan. They rappel from their chair to their desks. Biden should know better. He's senile af.
Joe is going to need to have a service dog with him out on the trail before long, or should that be a therapy dog?