Betsy DeVos confirmed as education secretary;

Discussion in 'Politics' started by traderob, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. fhl

    fhl

    No bang for the buck.


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    #11     Feb 8, 2017
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    i wonder what percentage of those dollars went to administrators and consultants instead of to classrooms.

    In terms of inflation adjusted dollars most teachers are earning significantly less than in 1970. Most school districts across the U.S. are spending significantly less in inflation adjusted dollars per pupil than in 1970.

    After inflation, NC teacher pay has dropped 13% in past 15 years
    http://www.wral.com/after-inflation-nc-teacher-pay-has-dropped-13-in-past-15-years/15624302/
     
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    #12     Feb 8, 2017
  3. Any chart showing teachers/administrators' salaries, benefits, pensions? Bet those got a nice "bang".
     
    #13     Feb 8, 2017
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    All can be found in the article I posted on a state by state basis for the past 15 years. - plus links to other time frames. On an inflation-adjusted basis teacher salaries have gone down in most states. This has been well documented. I guess all of those dollars in the CATO chart have gone to consultants and administrators because it certainly has not shown up in the classroom either in teacher salaries or per pupil spending.

    This might be a good time to remind people again (as I have posted before) -- when comparing demographic group to demographic group the U.S. is number 1 in K-12 education in the world.

    Those who post charts claiming the U.S. trails other countries in K-12 education or test scores are not properly taking in account the proper comparison by demographic group which is the correct standard to follow.
     
    #14     Feb 8, 2017
  5. fhl

    fhl


    So in other words, all the administration and consultants are a giant waste of money, and the reduction in pay to teachers hasn't degraded the education of students. We're still number one.
     
    #15     Feb 8, 2017
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The reality is that I question Cato's chart. It does not align with figures from other sources on inflation-adjusted spending on K-12 education.
     
    #16     Feb 8, 2017
  7. fhl

    fhl

    But you don't question that reducing inflation adjusted teacher pay hasn't hurt kids education.
    You've made the case yourself.
     
    #17     Feb 8, 2017
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Actually it has driven the better teachers out of education.

    Are you saying we should not strive to do better in education, or is the current status quo barely ahead of other countries which are constantly improving is just good enough.
     
    #18     Feb 8, 2017
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    As a parent of a 3rd grade student that has to go through the nightly homework, I won't shed a tear if all of Common Core is scrapped. I would be very interested in understanding what you consider the "good" pieces of Common Core to be.
     
    #19     Feb 8, 2017
  10. I would argue that other factors are far more important. When administrators allow thugs to rule schools, threaten teachers and make learning impossible for others, you can't pay good people enough to take the job. They might as well get a job as prison guards.

    I know that this is a problem at your very own Cary High School.
     
    #20     Feb 8, 2017