Best Way to Short on Nasdaq

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by kelly74, Nov 9, 2005.

  1. i agree with all on here it seems arca fills naz short instantly and inet does not. my question is why can arac do it and inet not? second thing is remembeer arac reroutes a ton on market orders so its another .001 which means striking the bid costs .004 in liquidity and most importantly i've enver had any luck chasing a naz stock down as they always boucne when you chase them down so jsut wait for the bounce
     
    #11     Nov 12, 2005
  2. alanm

    alanm

    Why?
     
    #12     Nov 14, 2005
  3. Because the ARCA Exchange apparently makes their own rules. God bless em.
     
    #13     Nov 15, 2005
  4. So, you mean 'nonexistent shithead' bless them? But no, really. Why do they make their own rules?

     
    #14     Nov 16, 2005
  5. joonur

    joonur

    ARCA market sell/short is proactive, meaning it "chases" the market lower automatically without you having to place a limit order, so you catch the first uptick so fast it feels like you almost short on a downtick, but ARCA exchg is not exempt from the uptick rule as has been mentioned.
     
    #15     Nov 17, 2005
  6. GTC

    GTC

    Currently for certain stocks, there is no uptick necessary for shorting.
     
    #16     Nov 17, 2005
  7. I beleive you are quite wrong. Do some research and get back to me.
     
    #17     Nov 20, 2005
  8. If I place a Market on Open Short sell order on a NASDAQ stock, what determines if my order gets filled short at the open? Are there any conditions (uptick?), or is this type of order always filled?
     
    #18     Nov 20, 2005
  9. This is what I can find on the archipelago website:
    What is the ArcaEx short sale rule for OTC stocks?

    The NASD's short sale rule or "bid test" does not apply to transactions in NASDAQ-listed stocks executed on ArcaEx. The NASD Rule 3350(a)(1) & (2) specifically limits the application of the NASD's bid test to those trades executed on or reported to the ADF and to NASDAQ. Further, the NASDR has advised representatives of the Archipelago Exchange that the NASD's rules do not apply to NASD members when those members execute orders in OTC stocks on the ArcaEx. NASD members with questions concerning the applicability of the NASD rules should contact NASDR directly. Orders in NASDAQ stocks are not subject to the bid test as long as the order is matched in the ArcaEx Book. Short sales that are routed outside the ArcaEx Book will be subject to the short sale rules of the away market. Limit Orders will be matched internally down to the limit price of the order and potentially outside the National Best Bid (NBB) if routing the order to an away market would not satisfy the away market short sale rule. Any unexecuted portion will be posted to the ArcaEx Book. Market orders will be matched internally or externally at the best available price. In a down bid market when the NBB quote is from an away market with a bid test, market orders will be posted to the ArcaEx Book at the NBB until they are eligible to trade at the NBB or better.
     
    #19     Dec 29, 2005
  10. I short all day using both ARCA & ISLD.

    I believe that there also is a list of stocks (around 1000?) on the SHO pilot program that you can short without an uptick (I'm assuming with any ECN).
     
    #20     Dec 30, 2005