Best Way To Deal With A Large Drawdown

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Fundlord, May 9, 2015.

Best Way To Deal With Drawdowns

  1. Step back from trading, re-evaluate and change strategy

    30.6%
  2. Continue strategy but reduce size

    51.0%
  3. Take a break from trading all together for a while

    12.2%
  4. Try win it all back on one or two well timed trades

    6.1%
  1. Redneck

    Redneck

    I must disagree (respectfully of course)

    Trading is never less risky..., the associated risk never ceases..., never diminishes..., never relents

    You are more/ better prepared for it - through saved up capital..., and experience

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    So how should the OP go about getting his ass out of his draw down bind?

    And..., never return to it

    RN
     
    #121     May 17, 2015
  2. Redneck

    Redneck


    That is another..., and equally as potentially lethal - land mind

    Ego is a bitch - in all its forms

    RN
     
    #122     May 17, 2015
  3. Redneck

    Redneck

    And some never learn

    RN
     
    #123     May 17, 2015
  4. loyek590

    loyek590

    it becomes less risky the less the amount of your net worth you are trading each day

    OP's ? I don't remember, they probably started out too large without a well thought out plan

    but I will agree, your chosen market is always risky, and you know going in you are against the odds just like a craps shooter, but in a much more favorable game
     
    #124     May 17, 2015
  5. loyek590

    loyek590

    and most of us would probably be better served if we stopped talking about how to "deal" with a drawdown, or how we "feel" when we are in a drawdown, and started talking about how to "avoid" a drawdown.
     
    #125     May 17, 2015
  6. I actually learned a LOT about avoiding dradown via the Combine.
    Because they have strict metrics.
     
    #126     May 17, 2015
  7. Redneck

    Redneck

    There is no secrete

    It boils down to consistent..., disciplined..., and repetitive application of the trader's approach (assumes the trader's approach reasonable)

    In conjunction with consistent..., disciplined..., and repetitive trader management

    Along with consistent..., disciplined..., and repetitive trade management

    Each and every day

    From the entry to exit - of each and every trade - no matter it a winner or a loser

    Easy - no

    Doable - yes

    RN
     
    #127     May 17, 2015
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  8. "I'm sure he meant to use a smaller size on all (!) trades, not just after a drawdown."

    Yes, obviously. The OP was trading too large on his trades in the first place, before this all happened to him. The only reason he didn't know it was because he was having success. Success often masks the problems lurking underneath. But if this drawdown has him asking other people what to do, that right there is proof positive that something went wrong that HE DID NOT EXPECT.

    The answer is, trade smaller and get more occurrences. He should have been doing that in the first place, but the last thing you want to do when you have a bad system that didn't account for a large drawdown is to use the same damn shovel that got you into the hole to keep digging it.

    The loss is LOST, can't "make it back." The best thing to do at this point is accept the loss is gone, and smarten up, tighten up the system, do better next time. With better trading going forward, he'll get back his high water mark and be a better trader in the future.

    DO NOT get into the old, gotta make it back mentality. That's a very good way to double down on your losses.
     
    #128     May 18, 2015
  9. nursebee

    nursebee

    18% Drawdown, LOL

    That aint real suffering yet
    I could not change until the pain was much worse, perhaps the OP can be different.

    I took 64K to 160K in what for me was short time frame.
    I was ignorant unaware
    That money went to dust, pipe dreams, vapor

    OP comments about further losses, on margin/leverage suggest max pain point not reached yet.

    What did I do?
    I stopped
    I got depressed
    I leaned into it.
    I reflected
    I did not ask questions of others and ignored most of what I had listened to.

    I likely became more aware.
    Emotions got better
    I focused on what worked.
    I minimized leverage
    Time frame got much longer.
    Research got deeper, intense, as if I were a securities analyst
    I gave up the wild dreams
    I kept the day job.

    Surveying the landscape of investment choices, I try to fit in the biggest party of winners, the biggest subset of success. I do not think this subset consists of anything with futures, options, daytrading, forex etc...

    I do think the biggest subset of market success comes through buy and hold of low cost index fund investing.

    I think the next subset comes from growth company investing.

    I take part in both of the above. It works for me. Most days it is boring as hell. Boring and rich is better than broke and emotionally high/exhausted.
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2015
    #129     May 18, 2015
  10. Fundlord

    Fundlord

    UPDATE: DRAWDOWN HIT A NEW LOW 34%.

    I got seduced by short term trading and it took me to the cleaners.

    After making over 1000% trading daily charts/4 hour, I got into short term trading for the thrill of more trades/more signals/more size/more compounding/more instant gratification.

    Time to ease back into to my longer term strategy, trading 1-2 times per week risking 5-10% per trade with open ended profit targets :wtf:ops::wtf:ops::wtf:ops:
     
    #130     May 18, 2015