Best Trading Instrument

Discussion in 'Trading' started by yabz, Sep 17, 2017.

Best trading instrument?

  1. Commodities

    18 vote(s)
    40.0%
  2. Currencies

    7 vote(s)
    15.6%
  3. Stocks

    13 vote(s)
    28.9%
  4. Bonds

    1 vote(s)
    2.2%
  5. Other

    6 vote(s)
    13.3%
  1. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Invest. The question was about trading.

    Let's say if he earns 4 billions on a 30 billion portfolio using option, was it really the best trading instrument? Most of them I think for insurance purposes anyway...

    If you watch the video, his put contracts were 3-15 years out, that is either investing or insurance, not trading.

    Actually, if you read his annual report at 3:30 it says they book an annual loss of 5.1 billion. That is some trading instrument!!!
     
    Last edited: Oct 1, 2017
    #31     Oct 1, 2017
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  2. Tell one of the wealthiest person in the world that. And that you have a better trading system. hahaha
     
    #32     Oct 1, 2017
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  3. truetype

    truetype

    When the strike is 50, and a stock is 30 at expiry, you'll find yourself less enthusiastic about buying it at 50.
     
    #33     Oct 1, 2017
  4. lovethetrade

    lovethetrade Guest

    Best instrument is the one that gives you the next signal.
     
    #34     Oct 1, 2017
  5. How many traders like talking about their losses, instead of their wins/winners?
    With losses like that, I feel reassured with my little 6 fig losses. Must be something to be big enough to be able to afford a 5.1bn loss. How much profits did he book?
     
    #35     Oct 1, 2017
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I don't know, I am sure you can find his annual report online, you have to read it. I think the guy who made the video misunderstood how his trades work.
     
    #36     Oct 1, 2017
  7. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Your point was still moot. Buffett is in the investment and insurance business, not interested in trading. hahaha

    Also it does help if you actually watch the video what you link to. Here, I help you out:

    http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=285699

    "his strategy is twofold. First, he sells overvalued options by writing puts with very long horizons of more than 15 years, which are systematically overpriced. Second, he is making a classic Warren Buffett move, using the "float," or premium, from the options to invest. Because the options he has written are "European," which means they can only be exercised at expiration, he won't need to worry about having to pay out the notional value before expiration. All in all, this is just the type of elegant option-investing strategy to expect from a brilliant investor with a giant pool of capital.

    Buffett's strategy has collected a $4.9 billion option premium so far on his $37.1 billion notional index options, but the Black-Scholes model currently estimates a $10 billion liability, so currently he has a $5.1 billion loss on a generally accepted accounting principles basis. However, on a fundamental basis, as he says, "It's only the price on the final day that counts.""
     
    #37     Oct 1, 2017
  8. Did Buffet traded like that when he started and built his fist billion?

    15 years time scale, and 37billion invested. Really impressive.
    Never thought that one day in my life, If I could, I'd ask a person - such as Buffet, to trade 1bn capital. Must be something really unique.
     
    #38     Oct 1, 2017
  9. Show me 1 blue chip that dropped from 50 to 30 within a week or even 2 weeks of ex-dividend date.
     
    #39     Oct 1, 2017
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    TEVA, from $31 to $17
    IBM $170 to $160 and then from $160 to $150
    BMY $75 to $60
    AAPL $113 to $92.....
    In the last couple of years but not tied to ex-dividend dates.
     
    #40     Oct 1, 2017