Best option strategies to learn ....

Discussion in 'Options' started by tradingpoker, Jan 5, 2020.

  1. taowave

    taowave

    As he said,he is now long a condor or possibly butterfly at really bad prices...
    Before He was risking 1.50 to make .50,now he is risking 1.15 to make .85.

    Depending on where the short put spread/vol has blown out to,it may not be the worst thing in the world. I most likely wouldnt cover the spread at anything over 1.50..rather punt at that point







     
    #31     Jan 6, 2020
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  2. taowave

    taowave

    We must have been down there together

    I was Salomons floor trader



     
    #32     Jan 6, 2020
  3. Wheezooo

    Wheezooo

    I was there very briefly.

    Me: take 'em
    Specialist: wait, what traded?
    Everyone else: (raises hand)
    Me: WTF!!! I get 5 lots???
    Me: Fuck this, I'm going back to the futures options pits.

    Just hated it. Never even got an elbow to the face, spit on, or so much as a bruise. What's the fun in that? :D
     
    #33     Jan 6, 2020
  4. taowave

    taowave

    Did you trade XMI?
     
    #34     Jan 6, 2020

  5. I could list the reasons why it's much tougher now, but I don't want to bore everyone here with that.

    The names mentioned here as the best in the world are not really tbh, poker has insane variance. Some of the guys with names up in lights have just run good at the right time and some guys struggling right now, but they play great poker and just run super bad, which means they fly under the radar.

    Also a lot of tracking sites and TV just factor in money won, not money spent. I know players that have cashed for 5 million last year, but bought in for 6 million. Great players? the headline will say ..........xxxxxx cashed for 5 million in 2019 WOW

    Nature of the game I am sorry to say.
     
    #35     Jan 6, 2020
  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    Yes, I got yelled at even after 7 years. :banghead:
     
    #36     Jan 6, 2020
  7. Wheezooo

    Wheezooo

    I think that has more to do with your personal hygiene. ;)
     
    #37     Jan 6, 2020
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  8. ironchef

    ironchef

    @taowave and @Wheezooo, can I ask you folks a couple of questions:

    1. I assumed MM dynamically hedge their positions, my question is if your counter party bought a call, you were short so you dynamically hedged by buying the underlying (or future), if your counter party sold call, you were long so you dynamically hedged by selling the underlying (or future). Does your final outcome in either case produce a risk free rate of return for you?

    2. Ddi you always aimed to be delta, gamma, vega, theta... neutral at all time if possible, and if so were the profits significant and justified being a MM? And did you ever take directional bets, delta or vol?

    Regards,
     
    #38     Jan 6, 2020
  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    Nah, just asking too many dumb questions and giving too many wrong answers.
     
    #39     Jan 6, 2020
  10. Wheezooo

    Wheezooo

    The funny thing is you pick the one parameter (Delta) That however peculiar it sounds, I never considered a risk, as it is not created by optionality. Delta is a choice.

    Risk-free outcome. Not a chance. You are left with a whole smorgasbord of residual shit --> theta, vega, gamma, 2nd + 3rd deriv vol...
    Ideally, the game of the MM (theoretically) is to rotate trades as fast as possible as often as possible, flipping back and forth as close to neutral as possible and capture some edge on each piece, with as little residual risk as possible. Flat is impossible, nearly flat moderately possible, but you will always have some risk somewhere, which requires an ability to manage those risks, in whatever way possible.


    2. Ddi you always aimed to be delta, gamma, vega, theta... neutral at all time if possible, and if so were the profits significant and justified being a MM? And did you ever take directional bets, delta or vol?

    Delta - Nightly yes, during day, that's a story unto itself, in an attempt to capture your theta by managing your gamma.

    All the others had more to do with change in position vs change in variable (mostly price, time, vega)... You wanted the dynamics of the position to always turn positively for you as variables changed. I worked for a firm that was definitely considered a strict, risk-free arb firm. We took RISK! but certain types were acceptable and expected, and we entered into them with edge. positive gamma = good, negative =bad. Owning tons of wings --> you damn best better. Owning the wings where vol was going to pop -->damn best better. Owning ATM strikes -->major no no... that's what financed the wings and kept you flatish near ATM, and kept you from getting wrecked if nothing was moving.

    ...see how this can go on and on forever.

    Yes, extraordinarily profitable if done right, or you get the moves. Could be somewhat painful if you didn't, but rarely horribly so.

    I always thought dynamic was a good word.

    Just woke up and need to take my dog. Hope that made a little sense.
     
    #40     Jan 6, 2020