Best Currency to Store under Mattress for the Next 6-12 months?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by shortie, Jul 21, 2011.

Best Currency to Store under Mattress for the Next 6-12 months?

  1. US Dollar

    3 vote(s)
    6.8%
  2. Euro

    2 vote(s)
    4.5%
  3. Swiss Franc

    10 vote(s)
    22.7%
  4. Japanese Yen

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  5. Canadian Dollar

    10 vote(s)
    22.7%
  6. Australian Dollar

    3 vote(s)
    6.8%
  7. Gold

    13 vote(s)
    29.5%
  8. Other

    2 vote(s)
    4.5%
  1. one person asking me this type of question does not mean anything except that he is worried and confused about currencies. the reason he he asks me is because he knows i trade stocks.

    i am just lucky to survive fighting stocks and ETFs. i certainly have no clue about Forex. but he somehow thinks that I KNOW where USD, EUR/etc. are heading. :)

    p.s. Actually I believe the precise reason he asked me now was because he saw on TV that US is about the default.
     
    #21     Jul 22, 2011
  2. zdreg

    zdreg

    Default Insurance Has Some Quirks
    By SERENA NG And GREGORY ZUCKERMAN

    Investors looking for protection against a U.S. debt default could be in for a surprise. In the market for credit default swaps, it is currently more expensive to buy one-year insurance on Treasurys than on "junk"-rated Indonesian bonds.

    The unexpected price differential is one of many quirks of the market for U.S. credit default swaps, a small corner of the financial system that has been thrown into the spotlight by Washington's tortuous talks over raising the debt ceiling.

    For the week ended July 15, the value of outstanding swaps on the U.S. climbed to a new high after major credit-rating firms placed the nation's top triple-A bond rating on review for a downgrade, as progress on the debt talks appeared to stall ahead of an Aug. 2 deadline.

    As of July 15, the net amount of credit protection outstanding on the U.S. was more than that of Greece, according to the Depository Trust and Clearing Corp., which collects data on completed trades.


    Currently, one-year protection against a U.S. default is roughly double that of other triple-A-rated nations such as the U.K. and Germany, and that of Saudi Arabia, which is rated AA-, according to data from Markit. It also costs 47% more to insure the U.S. from default than Indonesia, which has a "junk" rating of BB+.

    Analysts and Wall Street traders say the market is largely driven by speculation: The swaps are mostly bought and sold by a small number of banks and hedge funds trying to profit from changes in the cost of the swaps themselves, rather than as actual protection against a default.

    "No one is buying or selling this because they actually think the U.S. is really going to default on its debt and not pay it back," says Dave Klein, partner and co-founder of Capital Context, an independent research firm in Oakland, Calif. "This is not about an Armageddon scenario, but the risk that there are stresses in developed economies" like the U.S., he adds.

    While trading activity has increased since late 2010, the net notional value of swaps on the U.S. remains incredibly small, at $4.77 billion, a far cry from the trillions of dollars in outstanding Treasury securities and much less than swaps outstanding on Germany and the U.K. And the market is extremely illiquid: During the week ended July 15, just 38 contracts were traded, covering a mere $683 million in debt, according to DTCC.

    Many traders scoff at the idea of buying, or selling, these instruments. After all, if the world's largest economy defaulted on its debt, the global economic environment would be in such bad shape that it wouldn't be clear which counter-parties would be capable of making good on their pledges to pay holders of swap contracts.

    Still, with the debt situation remaining fluid and unpredictable, some say they have been buying swaps on the U.S., expecting the cost of protection to rise if the nation's credit-worthiness deteriorates and its rating is downgraded, rather than in the expectation that they will get paid in an actual default.

    The swaps "have done a very good job of discounting ratings moves," by rising in value ahead of recent warnings about the U.S.'s health by leading credit-rating companies, says Adam Fisher, chief investment officer of Commonwealth Opportunity Master Fund Ltd., a Los Angeles hedge fund that has bought the contracts over the past year.

    "And if we do ever miss a payment or there's a downgrade, the returns would be pretty asymmetrical" in relation to the inexpensive price of this protection, he says.

    Many traders say the prices of U.S. swaps aren't a reliable measure of default risk because there are so few trades. Analysts say most U.S. banks are reluctant to traffic in the swaps, to avoid the appearance of betting on the nation's collapse. Most trades are done with European banks, but they generally will take positions only if clients or other banks come to them wishing to buy or sell protection.

    The result is that a small number of trades can cause price



    bottom line is that you're onto something.
     
    #22     Jul 25, 2011
  3. zdreg

    zdreg


    well said. most polls could use other as a choice
     
    #23     Jul 25, 2011
  4. Well, Thr RBOB contract is 42,000 gallons, so that's only 8400 five gallon containers, and since you're buying the containers and filling them with unleaded using soon to be worthless dollars the cost would be negligable.

    On the surface it seems to be foolproof, but if you look a little deeper, where they get you is on the hotdogs, cigaretes and lottery tickets.

    That's why they say there's no free lunch, but after purchasing 42,000 gallons, you should at least get a coupon for something.
     
    #24     Jul 25, 2011
  5. oh yeah, short an RB just in case
     
    #25     Jul 25, 2011
  6. Canadian and the larger Swiss banks are among the strongest in the world. A deposit utilizing the Canadian Dollar or the Swiss Frank should hold up for him.

    If he truly fears fiat money than he should pay the spread and buy gold.
     
    #26     Jul 25, 2011
  7. They were talking about this on some other thread, and according to university economists, the second choice if you couldn't find a currency was silver.

    Not sure why it beats gold, but I guess they have data and research.
     
    #27     Jul 25, 2011
  8. marijuana:D
     
    #28     Jul 25, 2011
  9. I got a dime bag I bought in 1970, how much will you give me for it?
     
    #29     Jul 25, 2011
  10. in 1970??maaan..it`s priceless:D
     
    #30     Jul 25, 2011