Nothing is certain but there are facts! Isn't it the case you are the one saying in so many words: " nothing can exist without a beginning". May I ask, what sort of certainty do you assign to that ? But seeing you did ask, I'd say I'm in the camp that cannot imagine even finding any facts by ignoring the obvious, by relying on another fact that the universe is mysterious. I find that's often used as a throw away easy answer excusing everything as mystifying, even when something is actually shown to be certain . I take nothing on face value when faced with an opportunity to learn facts.
Is anyone expected to take seriously a discussion of which is more true, science or religion, where the test of truth is provided by science (or religion)? Just asking...
scientific truths are testable and falsfiable by any man who takes the time to educate himself in the field. religious socalled truths are extracted from books written by stone age men who had no concept of science and how the world worked and who thought thunder was god speaking. to even compare the two is idiocy.
Again, this is applying an understanding of what is "true", as defined by science, to the argument. It's no wonder there is no end to these threads.
Evidence is part, not the whole, of what is true in science. Still, what can be considered evidence, that is, its definition, is provided by science.
I don't assign absolute certainty to anything in regard to this subject. My belief, based on known facts and observation, is that everything in this universe has a beginning and a cause. While we may not be able to provide factual proof or explaination for all events, does not mean that these events do not have a beginning or a cause. My beliefs are always subject to change based on new facts presenting themselves. Opinions are not facts and until someone presents evidence that a Creator exists, or does not exist, I'll hold to my opinion that a Creator must exist based on currently known facts and observation. I have no proof either way, and neither does anyone else. You are entitled to your opinion as well, and I can and do respect your opinion. It would be nice if the resident atheists took a similar position, rather than claiming the intellectual high ground while insulting the beliefs of others, all the while providing no proof of their own. Opinions abound!
Your casual "observation" AKA the collective experience of your senses to date is not proof of a "1st cause" necessity . If left entirely to your "senses" there is no quantum theory. there are no atoms etc
lolol. you are one funny dude. you cant even see how "Obvious" it is that you are running in circles. WHO CREATED THE CREATOR?