Beginner in selling Bull Put Spread

Discussion in 'Options' started by Megane, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. ironchef

    ironchef

    If you don't mind me saying this: With your chart, you just argued that net long call options during this period is better than spreads?
     
    #101     Feb 21, 2018
  2. Personally I don't believe that it is wise to base your whole options portfolio on selling premium. In order to get decent returns in selling premium, you need to use leverage which means taking excessive risks.

    This usually doesn't end well - look at the The Spectacular Fall Of LJM Preservation And Growth

    I believe that it is critical to implement mix of strategies, including selling premium, buying premium, volatility based strategies etc. Of course gurus like Tom Sosnoff will tell you that selling premium is the only way to make money with options. Don't believe them.

    We have dozens of members who started exclusively with selling premium, but found out very quickly that you need to add other strategies to the mix.

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    #102     Feb 21, 2018
  3. Sosnoff comes from the old generation of (pit) traders...who were just simply scalping, or arbing, their client orders.
    I'm willing to bet he can't actually trade his own personal account for jack from his own computer at home, :confused:, :banghead:

    There are varying degrees of the word 'trader' -- but very few...are the true, rare traders....traders who can exponentially grow their own personal account into a small fortune.
     
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    #103     Feb 21, 2018
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  4. Agree.. and yet he has hundreds of thousands of followers.
     
    #104     Feb 21, 2018
  5. rtw

    rtw

    i agree. since 2009 the best strategy has been to go all in long. there have been some small hiccups during that time, but it seems like normal service has always been resumed.

    as for whether net long call or long spreads are better at the present time, i don't know, i'm still just learning about trading options and in my case i need to start trading with the strictest discipline and cutting losses in time. also, the very recent flash crash - correction of january - february 2018 showed that at some point the exponential inflation in asset prices has to stop and will likely reverse violently, so having a plan that would withstand gigantic movements down in prices was always vital but at this time it is even more than ever.
     
    #105     Feb 21, 2018
  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    Yes.

    And I agree that what goes up must come down, so you may be late to the party. I am just lucky I started early, back in 2013.

    Good luck.
     
    #106     Feb 21, 2018
  7. prc117f

    prc117f

    Wow so many contracts for a potential profit of 392 dollars. But your potential loss is 8,000 dollars if the trade goes against you.

    Definitely not the types of trade I would enter.

    I have entered trades where my max loss is 90 dollars, potential profits unlimited. Realised profits 320 dollars. :)

    You should study more and look at other methods. Too much risk for not great profits.

    So far the wins have been greater than the losses. Wins between Feb 12 to 22.
    2,119.75

    YTD
    Adj gain ($) 18,183.01



     
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    #107     Feb 22, 2018
  8. rtw

    rtw


    well, mr. prc117f, that's very interesting.

    if you don't mind the question, ¿if are not trading short put spreads what strategies is it that you are trading then?
     
    #108     Feb 25, 2018
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  9. Sean35

    Sean35

    How did you come up with a max profit of $392? Based on the price of Amazon stock today if I sold a bull put spread at 1250/1245 strikes I would get a max profit of $80 and max loss of $9,920.

    At any rate this is way too much risk for such a tiny profit.
     
    #109     Feb 26, 2018
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    My guess is prc117f is net long delta, gamma and vega?
     
    #110     Feb 26, 2018