OK now you've made me MAD....... This is my response to the fool who posted me, above (in blue).... First of all you know nothing about me.... I have been in this industry for 18 years by the age of 25 I made enough money to retire through the use of compounding equity options strategies and that has given me the luxury of doing other things like my recent success at the futures markets. That being said lets get to the point. It is obvious that you are a seller of a trading system or service in which you derive your income. Do you really think we are that dumb? Well the answer is yes you do, it is obvious that all of you vendors are preying apuon peoples greed. You suck people in with these ideologies of unlimited wealth and freedom from buying your system that you yourselves couldn't trade out of a paper bag and thats why your selling it. YOU KNOW IT I KNOW IT AND THANKS TO THE INTERNET AND FORUMS LIKE THIS EVERYONE ELSE WILL KNOW IT AND NOW YOUR UPSET BECAUSE YOU WILL BE OUT OF A JOB. WHAT THEN ........ WELL YOU CAN TRADE RIGHT ......... I DON'T THINK Soooo I CHALLENGE ANY SINGLE SYSTEM VENDOR TO STOP THESE LIES AND JUST COME INTO THIS FORUM AND POST AUDITED TRADING RESULTS FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS. IF ANY OF YOU SCHMUCKS HAD HALF A BRAIN YOU WOULD DO IT FOR THE MAIN REASON THAT YOU WOULD HAVE 30, 000 TRADERS RUNNING TO BUY YOUR WARES............ NONE OF YOU WILL ... BECAUSE NONE OF YOU CAN......... NOW STOP lying AND STEALING AND GET A REAL JOB.
Not the person you mention above and I've been getting pms about asking about this too. I will start a new thread and give the name.
Something doesn't add up here. You've been in the industry for 18 years but in the last two you (seemingly suddendly) spent 40 grand on systems, none of which see to have worked? Are you suggesting you have been around trading but mostly equites and options and just got off into commodities or futures the last two years and bought some bad systems there or what exactly? Also 40 grand worth of systems is like what a dozen systems? Can you give us an idea of what they were, if not the names what did they trade, bonds, cattle, equities, copper, etc? I am just at the point where I am becoming interested more in systems so more facts and less generalties would be beneficial to me. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not trying to refute your claims or anything like that but it seems odd that someone with almost two decades experience suddenly would jump head first into buying a bunch of systems and then trade them without the stuff you talked about (statements or audited trackrecords, etc.) If they sucked you in, they might suck I and others in as well, therefore if you could give an example or two, we could go check out the website or something and see how seductive these vendors really are, ya know. Thanks.
I speak four languages, but I can't figure out what dialect you write in. I have seen this type of meaningless absurdity before - yes I worked in the upper echelons of finance and legal of a large "General" company - so I am familiar with this unintelligible, pretentious, obscure gobbledegook. Your cipher is the type of useless gibberish our "experts" or lawyers wrote and used as boilerplates. I learned long ago that the amount of convolution is directly proportional to the lack of knowledge. Real experts can abstract a complicated issue into plain English and they are not afraid to do so. All threads run their course and this one just did. Thanks to all of you who posted thoughtful and helpful responses. :eek:
Avalanche I will give you one example, I sought out systems and methods from people that advertised with the same credentials in the futures markets that I had in Equities and Options. For example this guy claimed to be an cbot floor trader for 15 years and that he would be my peer. www.jonathonstone.com He was the biggest thief I ever meet and if he wants to sue me go right ahead and try because he is and he knows it. I have since meet 3 others that have been scammed by this fraud. He uses intimidation and manipulation tactics like a tiger shark but the results of his system where soooo obviously bad that only a fool would trade it longer than a week.
Hi Michael, Thanks for your comments and critique. We recently did exchange notes on some trading stuff. It turns out I am a student of yours. Thus I keep notes on what you do in your four edge strategies that are spread over several independnat markets. They are notable to me because they fit into a trading day independantly and, while the duration of the trades vary broadly, they exist as a comprehensive set that minimizes risk. Their efficiency and performance relative to the market potential for each is at an expert level. My compute ate the last post I was making to you in that exchange. The above was part of my reply and I just noted it from memory. Both are examples of my poor trading writing. I just write runon copy and do not edit it. It's 12:36 now and I am letting a trade pass (the ES pm BO, which today is long.) to write this to you. lol. I do write final copy. If you look at the pics in the set ups thread you can see where I do that in another part of my office (in one of the buildings where I reside.). As you suggest it is a team effort before it becomes camera ready. My post to this thread, as you point out, was not a trading post but rather a light weight response from a business point of view, primarily. Since, in financial circles and government circles I contribute as an axe man and concept creator, I am required to conform to their standards of information transfer. To stop or start things, swift, cutting text is required to galvanize beliefs and precipitate behavior. For trading, the prescription is care and support and giving. A person who is the recipient must be given redundant information that is constrained as perfectly as possible to the link in the web that is at hand. Successful links forge more and more areas of the web into a fully complete and bounded matrix. There may be no gaps in the web or it becomes a seive that does not hold anything permentantly. I fail in this often. I write with too many levels of information woven together. I try for brevity but it is contested by the need to amplify upon fine points that determine efficacy. I remedy this near dilemma by maintaining continuous attention to the person who is interested. finally, as I learn more and more about the person by making him give me stuff, I am able to forge more and more links outward. This over time affect transference of information and pictures. The pictures are the key. Writing, as in books, does not make a trader as we see here. we did see here that two years were required to learn to read a chart....properly. AMT showed us that to "read" T&S and DOM, etc..that it takes 6 months for an expert. I expect baruch to say I don't understand anything you say. I expect scientist to originate a diagonal matrix (it grows as a woven texture) from what I say. Trading makes so much money that almost no one knows the efficiencies of the market to delivery opportunity. For me to transfer that potential to anyone who wants it, is going to take several books from me as a warm up drill. They will be there as free CD's it looks like within the next 1000 days. The meat...the process.. I will return to as soon as I get my bod fixed with an ancillary supply system. It is going to be formulated this week, tomorrow, and will not interfer with my headset. I will conduct a process to allow others to consider how to have the pictures of NLP. In summary, what I do is punch out runon copy to deal with other's links that they are building. You see this in ET and a few other places. This stuff goes to a document production area where I salvage copy and fix it. All of it is on computers now a days.. I work to continually refine it. There are boxes in rooms as well that cover over over 40 years of investing. They make good illustrations and now can be supplemented by archival stuff from the internet, universities who keep archives of it, and from others whose accounts I have POA'ed for 40 years or so. I also have my SEC violations that were retracted (mistaken insider trading screw ups that they made) there for illustrating market timing that was inconceivable to regulatory agencies who felt the need to tap into my POA and personal accounts for potential criminal activity reasons. For whatever reason, I have not written in the financial field. I believe it is a fear of loosing my amateur status combined with what I know happens when you get to be known in other fields. Once you do a book that sells 400,000 copies in 4 months, you are imposed upon by others. I have always given away my board honorariums, speaking fees, royalties, copyrights to 501 (C) (3)'s. I have accepted out of pocket costs and I consult as a problem solver. Vis a vis the EO of the WH, I have always specified the highest non negotiated rate (portal to portal) and that has kept me clean and uncontaminated vis a vis politics. Thus I am a wierd mavareck who is focused upon the real subject of what's cooking. For making money, it is different than people generally think. It is gathering data, analysis, decision making, and acting in a timely manner. Human behaviorial science. The academic world has not tackled this as yet. The health services industry hasn't either. The gaping hole to be filled is singular. The facts and intellectual stuff is ground away to perfection more and more going macro with the Cray crowd. We, however, make money in a micro setting where the rubber meets the roads. On the other side of the gap is behavior; a combo of beliefs leading to behavior. You are looking at a person who by posting can cause others to act. I am able to attack the space they are in and cause them to work on filling the gap. My icon is the bridge and building. (See the set up pics). When I decide to deal. The recipient gets the full treatment. He gets his gap closed. I must, remotely, construct a povisional world for that person to accept. Then he is able to consider a NLP picture comparison and replacement "process" that leads to a comprehensive set of trading beliefs. How I write causes an interaction. People get get "open' and they then change. Often they are "stuck" and unmovable. trend fader and GG are classics here. Look at nononsense, phoenix, and others. Their common characteristic is "stuckness". Some are stuck by fears (former bunch) and some are stuck by a different kind of fear caused by fear of risk. The later group are into "survival tatics formulated by invincable skills based upon their success in keeping "safe" and surviving. Being stuck and having a gap between intellect and the beliefs and behavior set is a tough setting for injecting the level of energy required to attain movement. To interject whatever to get a connection and even a response is a great demand. If I want, I make an effort to unstick some people. Others I watch with great intensity to "see" what their pictures consequences are. When I begin to use color, I am expressing interest in having a dialogue. A response in capital letters is one that a guy welded up to give to me. A Mr Market response to me is a humourous character assassination. If I encounter a serious and out of line assassination, I have responded in kind and gotten thrown out as a concequence of what semper fi guys call pussy behavior on the part of complainers. What gives ET potential to make people rich is the dialogue. You, of course, represent the best. not being stuck and being confident of your performance, methods, and success, you are at inquiry. I am in your debt. Your humane style is hard hitting and very succinct. For me I want everyone to operate at their potential and then really be able to contribute to others by passing it forward. The fact that the financial industry is uncomplex and so vast, really sets up the most available opportunity that could be. not that we are global as a society, it is impossible to understand the true magnitude of the economic self policing web that will be created as quickly as it will be. Everyone will realize wealth beyond any precident as yet set. The major accelerator of all those available is to pass forward the belief pictures needed. So thanks for your post to me.
Are you medicated ??? I did not understand a single thing you said, if you have a point make it because I am open minded and I would love to know it.
Sampson77, don't waste your time. Grob109, a.k.a Bubba, a.k.a. Jack Hershey, is well known here for his indecipherable posts. TM_Direct, I think said it best in an earlier post: Ive given jack/bubba a hard time but honestly when he takes the time to actually pay attention to what he is writing he is pretty good reading....I think he has random thoughts in the middle of sentences and omits words here and there and it gets muddled....but when he uses spell check and re reads his posts he's actually pretty good.....a hershey example: WHAT JACK SAID: " we have a break out occurring right now if you look at the, Peanut butter and jelly is the source for the indications on the money flow of the three streams, but i need coffee to better, ok your flying the plane but there is nobody on board buddy" WHAT JACK MEANT: " NASDAQ is breaking out and i need a sandwich because my sugar level is low, I think mr. market is a fraud and if i had hot coffee i'd throw it in TM_Direct's face"
Trendy, appreciate your translations. I always find some useful stuff in Grobs (Jack?) posts but it can be hard work to find them. Maybe you could take on the task of simplifying them .....