Too much beef is certainly bad for the cardiovascular system. I doubt any denies that. The fact remains that veganism is not a healthy lifestyle. Vegans, as a group, suffer from anemias and protein deficiencies [kwashiorkor] more than any other group. BCAAs are critical to a healthy immunity -- and the vast majority of vegan diets are deficient. Beef consumption is a poor-predictor of life-expectancy as the Australian-stat clearly shows.
Your quote "ALL PLANTS contain ALL ESSENTIAL amino acids too" implies that every single vegetable contains ALL of the essential amino acids in them and thats a big NOOOOOOOO......sorry bub, but this is wrong.
Longshot posted a derogatory comment related to my apparent lack of neurons. This should be enlightening: Protective effects of a vitamin B12 analogue, methylcobalamin, against glutamate cytotoxicity in cultured cortical neurons Akaike A Tamura Y Sato Y Yokota T, Eur J Pharmacol (1993 Sep 7) 241(1):1-6 The effects of methylcobalamin, a vitamin B12 analogue, on glutamate-induced neurotoxicity were examined using cultured rat cortical neurons. Cell viability was markedly reduced by a brief exposure to glutamate followed by incubation with glutamate-free medium for 1 h. Glutamate cytotoxicity was prevented when the cultures were maintained in methylcobalamin-containing medium. Glutamate cytotoxicity was also prevented by chronic exposure to S-adenosylmethionine, which is formed in the metabolic pathway of methylcobalamin. Chronic exposure to methylcobalamin and S- adenosylmethionine also inhibited the cytotoxicity induced by methyl-D-aspartate or sodium nitroprusside that releases nitric oxide. In cultures maintained in a standard medium, glutamate cytotoxicity was not affected by adding methylcobalamin to the glutamate-containing medium. In contrast, acute exposure to MK-801, a NMDA receptor antagonist, prevented glutamate cytotoxicity. These results indicate that chronic exposure to methylcobalamin protects cortical neurons against NMDA receptor-mediated glutamate cytotoxicity. Vegan diets are b12 deficient: http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/intro B12 is generally found in all animal foods (except honey). The overwhelming consensus in the mainstream nutrition community, as well as among vegan health professionals, is that plant foods do not provide vitamin B12. Indisputable, vegan diets are not nutritionally complete, not by a long shot.
Correct. In Longshot/Saint's link it shows that it would require an individual to eat 50-servings [50 cups] of spinach to meet the RDA/DV of EAAs. Spinach is [nearly] a complete food in terms of macro-ratios, but lacking dietary-significant quantities of EAAs. Yet another nail in longshot's coffin.
Did "armoured saint" just die from Iron deficiency or did he take a "grazing" break and is out "manicuring" the back lawn?
You pussys!!!! Why, when I was a lad, the cafeteria ladies thrived on prepping sick cattle. They actually made richer tasting burgers than this organic stuff they brag onto now. Road Kill!!!! Don't even get me started on Road Kill Casserole Wednesdays.
Best not to get me started about road kill. I used to pick up tender, juicy road kill twice a week on my 70 mile round trip to and from work. On a hot summer day, that road kill was sizzlin'. Road kill sizzlers.
<i>"put me in my place .. refute me"</i> OK... but only because you asked so nicely. That's easy enough to do. * All living things have one primary objective on earth: survival and propogation. Plants do this by absorbing carbon dioxide and various minerals from water and soil, synthesizing those components with sunlight energy to create sugars (carbohydrates), proteins and fats. Pretty much the same thing we do, except we use oxygen instead of CO2. Generally speaking, plants have three main parts: roots = tubers for absorption of nutrients and water, stem - leaves network for absorption of water, CO2 and sunlight, and sexual organs (flowers) that produce fertilized ovum (aka nuts, beans, seeds, etc) The roots = tubers network is where most sugars are stored in the form of simple or complex starches. Sugars feed the plant thru its lifetime of seed production, and/or the next generation of growth to come. The stems - stalks - leaves network is primarily a nutrient transport system where cell walls are made of wax layers for supple rigidity. They don't store much besides minerals and nutrients. The flower = sexual organs portion that ends up being some form of ovum / seed is where proteins and fats are stored. Like any other egg, the building blocks for next generation to come are stored in that seed = nut. * <b>saint</b>, you are welcome to eat the roots & tubers of most plants (potato, carrots, beets, parsnips, onions) and the leaves = stalks (celery, cabbage, lettuce, spinach, swiss chard) around the clock. You can eat your body weight in any combination of that stuff... and your muscle mass will waste away to nothing. The roots & tubers are mostly sugar to us... simple or complex carbs. The leaves & stalks are mostly fiber to us, because our digestive tracts cannot break down the wax of those cellular walls. That leaves the flowers & ovum... seeds, nuts and beans. Stuff like peas, corn, beans of all type, tree nuts, peanuts... that's the only place where vegetable proteins and oils/fats are available to us. Pure vegans need to eat one helluva lotta beans, seeds and nuts to meet their protein (and beneficial fat) requirements. By the same token, honeybees get all of their proteins and fat from flower pollen... which eventually becomes the pollinated seed product. Honey is their form of carbohydrates, same as starch from tubers for us. A honeybee will starve to death and the colony will collapse on a diet of honey (carbs) alone. They are 100% vegan for the past 30 million years, longer than you by a little bit. Even honeybees cannot live on all vegetable parts alone. ** The vast majority of vegetive material, aka vegetables have nil protein (amino acids) available to human digestive tracts. Unless you have evolved into a multi-chambered stomach complete with bacteria to ferment & breakdown those wax walls of grass & stalks, you need nuts - seeds - beans to survive. Period, end of story. Glad to be of service in setting the record straight. I've been gardening since 4yrs old, raising animals of all sort since 5yrs old, studying fitness and nutrition for humans and animals more than half my life. The only part of me that's an idiot is tapping into this website expecting to enjoy an intelligent, civil conversation without it being trashed by the ignorant and uninformed. atticus, as always it's a pleasure visiting with you
LOLOL "Certified pastures" .... with certified cow shit and certified wind and certified rain too?!?!