Becoming the Top Trader

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by OnGoing, Apr 26, 2004.

  1. En Anglais, si vous plait.
     
    #61     Apr 29, 2004
  2. Grob,

    Wow, that was direct. Could you expand on this? I understand if you don't, as this may not be your style. Plus I do not want to set you up for the flaming to follow.

    But what I think you mean is that he cannot be reactive to the "changing character" that the market constantly presents with his mindset. The "chameleon like" traits needed to FORESEE the upcoming movement based on reading what the market is doing now rather than his historcal approach could be learned though, couldn't it?

    Michael B.



     
    #62     May 1, 2004
  3. So where is the challenge in that? Have you ever had a million dollars?

    Michael B.





     
    #63     May 1, 2004
  4. OnGoing

    OnGoing

    I did not even consider his comment. If he would have elaborated on it a little bit more, I would be interested to know what he meant, otherwise it is just someone who wants to make an easy laugh.

     
    #64     May 1, 2004
  5. OnGoing

    OnGoing

    I missed to comment on a very important part of your post.

    If Grob meant what you are implying he meant, it would be interesting to hear your opinion on how to learn to be able to foresee movements based on reading the market.

     
    #65     May 1, 2004
  6. I am a latecomer to this thread. I just completed reading through it. I agree with some and disagree with the others and I respect a few contributors here in this thread.

    One thing that sticks out, was the systems trading advice. Try to pursue this way. You see, the battle is to find out what works for you. It's simply not to find out what makes the most money. You must start somewhere and build. Some never get to step one.

    Now to be a professional discretionary trader. I do not know how as I am not one. I have a lot of respect for them, but they can blow up too.

    IMHO, to be consistantly profitable and to be able to bracket in the roller coaster lifestyle with managable frames and remain discretionary would be most challenging. If you want to go that route perhaps you need to be born with that talent, I simply do not know.

    Michael B.
     
    #66     May 1, 2004
  7. It is not "Grob" style. I have never seen him post without thinking. He is controversial here in ET, but IMHO is a good read.

    Michael B.

    P.S. Now, I am not saying that Grob is an almighty guru, but he is expert at this very subject he is talking to you about. caveat, read each word of his post to you, and do not put anything else into it. He phrased his words carefully and read it with care. And no I am not a "Grob" alias.

     
    #67     May 1, 2004
  8. How many systems do you currently trade and how many trades on average do you do in total per day? Are you fully automated?
     
    #68     May 2, 2004
  9. Well, one example might be to notice volume and then see what the price reaction is to it. This would be a totally different approach, compared to your portfolio allocation strategy.

    Michael B.

    P.S. But again Grob is better at that than I.


     
    #69     May 2, 2004
  10. Over the years I have traded more systems than I have fingers. For a short time, I traded full time for a living trading OPM and my own. All at once I have traded 4 fingers in the Bonds, ES and NQ . I now trade options and sector trading in equities and looking for an automated system to scalp/swing/position trade the YM. I really do not have a preference as to the number of trades. I need automation because I work at a day job during the trading day, and I would need someone to monitor it.

    Michael B.

    P.S. The reason I recommended to Ongoing system trading was to motivate him to start there and learn what he likes. He seemed rather thoughtful in his posting style and I thought he might be a good systems trader. But I am not expert in people and what it takes to be a discretionary trader, so I could be wrong.



     
    #70     May 2, 2004