Becoming an atheist

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by yank_my doodleitsadandy, Mar 4, 2022.

  1. The video is 2 hours long, so I guess I can't blame you for not watching it, since you're mind is already made up. But one thing I really liked was the burial monument for a ruler of Egypt who is wearing a coat of many colors AND the place the body should have been was empty. This is evidence, although you will likely excuse it away. The Biblical account of Joseph is that he once had a coat of many colors, became 2nd to Pharoah and the children of Israel took his body with them when they left Egypt. And there's lots more evidence backing up the Biblical records than just this.
     
    #61     Mar 7, 2022
  2. Yes, I have made up my mind. I go with the factual evidence that's available and my critical thinking abilities. The bible also says there was a virgin birth, serpents spoke, a donkey spoke, a man sirvived stomach acid for more that a few minutes, and a man gathered every creature on earth in pairs (except the unicorns) and lived on a 500' boat for a year...all without one piece of factual evidence. Why anyone, that is not under the influence of a brain wash could believe this is, especially in this day and age, is quite amazing. Personally, I could give a crap about what or whom people believe as long as you keep it out of our governments, our schools and stop thinking they have the right to control the reproductive system of women...all on just faith...
     
    #62     Mar 7, 2022
  3. themickey

    themickey

    When we trade, most people have some sort of belief.
    Some may have huge faith in their trades, others may come from a different angle and not believe anything, they could care less, they just swing with the trees.
    Those who have strong beliefs in their trade may buy and hold, even through large retracements.
    It's just a fact of life, some beliefs work out, others don't, some spectacularly well, others a total disaster.
    Tell me why a loving God rewards or punishes people eternally for their beliefs or lack of beliefs?
     
    #63     Mar 7, 2022
  4. themickey

    themickey

    I breed frogs.
    Theyre incredibly clumsy, stupid, dimwitted and have a huge death rate.
    Out of a thousand tadpoles I may get 2-3 surviving frogs.
    Because of this, should I hate them? Has God perhaps cursed them because he hates them?
     
    #64     Mar 7, 2022
  5. ph1l

    ph1l

    They did show the statue with its coat of many colors.
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    Holy Sphinxters, that was from a different video.:) The actual video shows it as
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    And he looks like he'd be a star on the local basketball team. The video also shows part of the actual statue.
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    It's a little less convincing than the artist's conception. Maybe no body was found because it wasn't a tomb. We have things like that to remember important people today.
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    #65     Mar 7, 2022
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  6. But according to the video it was in the type of tomb a high ranking leader would have had because of the small pyramid. Also, it was one of 12 graves in the same garden, only the other 11 were not as spectacular. The palace adjacent to the garden had 12 pillars. David Rohl points out the 12 pillars and 12 tombs could very well have been because there were 12 sons of Jacob. All this was in Goshen, with quite a bit of evidence that aligns with a Semite population when you also consider the work of Manfred Bietak, who was also interviewed in the video about the foreigners that lived in Goshen.

    In 2015, Bietak won from the European Research Council an ERC Advanced Grant "The Hyksos Enigma" and is principal investigator and head of this project which is accommodated at the Austrian Academy of Sciences and at the Bournemouth University, UK. This project explores the origins of western Asiatic populations in the Nile Delta during the Middle Kingdom (c. 2000–1800 BC) and the Second Intermediate Period (c. 1800–1530 BC) and how the Hyksos seized power in Lower Egypt. Research also is focused on the reasons for the decline and failure of the Hyksos 15th Dynasty and its lasting impact on the Egyptian culture of the New Kingdom.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_Bietak
     
    #66     Mar 7, 2022
  7. ph1l

    ph1l


    https://youtu.be/diwtUuRAHNA?t=4774

    Most of the rest of the video says it happened in the Middle Kingdom era which ended at 1650 BC.

    There seem to be many proposals on when the events in Exodus happened.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaohs_in_the_Bible#In_the_Book_of_Exodus
    And the video acknowledges this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diwtUuRAHNA&t=6741s

    To me, that statement suggests people picked stories and some events from history, and put them into the Bible, even though they can't match any actual timeline.
     
    #67     Mar 7, 2022
  8. I'm more than halfway through re-watching the video. There is a LOT of evidence that matches the Biblical description from an earlier time period. I thought it flowed together very well, especially considering how difficult it is to date physical evidence from that long ago.

    The reason most archaeologists don't accept all this evidence is because they somehow have it in their minds that it must have happened during Ramses II and since there is no evidence from that time period, they say it didn't happen. I checked the chronology given in the video, and if I understand it correctly, the earlier places in the video showing very early timelines are where the time corresponds to the time in Egypt before slavery.

    Also, the video does seem to adjust the proposed timeline to the time of 1450 B.C. for the Exodus, which is in alignment with the Bible, if Solomon's reign is not adjusted. I'm not even going to attempt to guess if it could be or not, but there does seem like so much of dating is dependent on other dating being accurate, that it wouldn't surprise me if that could be adjusted to an earlier date, although I read that even David Rohl is not attempting to adjust that.

    In another interview David Rohl accepted the Biblical Exodus date of 1447 BC:

    Looking further back in time, the biblical Exodus date of 1447 BC now falls in what Egyptologists call the Second Intermediate Period, which is the archaeological period known as the Middle Bronze IIA-IIB. It was at this time that we find a huge city, lying underneath the 19th Dynasty capital of Pi Ramesse (biblical Raamses), known in the contemporary texts as Avaris. And this Middle Bronze Age city, located in the land of Goshen, was teaming with Semites who had initially migrated from Canaan into the Egyptian delta. They then abruptly abandon the city and disappear. About half a century later the city of Jericho is violently destroyed, its walls falling down in an apparent earthquake. Jericho is then burnt to the ground and abandoned for nearly 600 years. All the cities described in the Book of Joshua as being ‘placed under the curse of destruction’ are also destroyed at this time.
    https://popular-archaeology.com/article/the-exodus-myth-or-history/
     
    #68     Mar 8, 2022
  9. Towards the end of the video, it's explained even further. I just now was watching it. The Biblical time of 1450 BC the time proposed by the video for the Exodus, so basically, shifting to an earlier time by a couple centuries than currently accepted in secular circles (not many Bible Thumper circles though). Which IS, as you pointed out, just a couple centuries later than the Middle Kingdom era ending in 1650 BC. The video presents some reasons why it would make sense to adjust all of Egyptian history forward by a couple centuries or so. This amazingly lines up perfectly with the Biblical timeline!!!!! So now we can trust it!!!! LOL....just had to put that in here for all you skeptics that might actually read this. :D

    This is where the timeline adjustment for Egypt is shown (from 1:49:45 to 1:52:37)
     
    #69     Mar 8, 2022
  10. themickey

    themickey

    Yadda yadda yadda.... abraham, god, jesus, moses, jericho.... who gives a fuck about all this irrelevent religous koolade, is it going to put food on your table?
     
    #70     Mar 8, 2022