Beck: Good for Jews that Jesus didnt come for payback

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by hermit, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. jem

    jem

    here is the evidence you ignore because you are waiting for you tube video.


     
    #291     Sep 8, 2010
  2. stu

    stu

    Name calling, bitching and moaning and going around in circles like you do, will not alter the fact there is no historical evidence whatsoever that Jesus ever existed
     
    #292     Sep 9, 2010
  3. jem

    jem

    You do not even understand hearsay.


    Here is evidence which satisfies almost every scholar of ancient times the the world over and throughout history.

    Only the moon is made of cheese zealouts argue with the historicity of Jesus.


    Arguing there is no evidence is fraudulent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_jesus

    Contents
    1 New Testament writings
    1.1 Pauline Epistles
    1.2 Gospels
    1.3 The Acts of the Apostles
    2 Ancient Christian creeds
    2.1 Biblical
    2.2 Extra-biblical
    3 New Testament apocrypha
    3.1 Gnostic texts
    4 Early Church fathers
    5 Greco-Roman sources
    5.1 Josephus
    5.2 Pliny the Younger
    5.3 Tacitus
    5.4 Suetonius
    5.5 Mara bar Sarapion
    5.6 Others
    6 Jewish records
     
    #293     Sep 9, 2010
  4. stu

    stu

    No you don't even understand hearsay do you.

    You don't understand how Josephus alleging to have written of supposed Christ 100 years later is hearsay.

    You don't understand that it doesn't require a fictional figure in the form of Christ to somehow return as you pathetically suggested to remove the hearsay.

    You don't understand how with nothing whatsoever of any kind at all by any other recognized scholar or any writer of his time standing as validation for what Josephus was supposed to have written, means it stays as hearsay.

    On top of which all the time, a Christian forgery of his text is known to have taken place inserting phrases and the word Christ , bringing suspicion to any alleged Josephus text mentioning the word Christ, making authenticity even less than hearsay.

    Christian apologists whether in the form of historians or not, have adhered to, promoted and proclaimed a traditional set of assumptions about the life of a bible Jesus from Christian origins. Not from any valid historical facts.
    Only is it flat in the face of there being no historical evidence for Jesus that claims to the contrary are made.

    Probably not the intention but inadvertently you expose the non historical bible Jesus via your developmentally challenged posts.
    But you needn’t bother. The fact that there is no historicity of Jesus thus rendering Christ fictional, stands on its own anyway.

    If you had an argument at all, you could sensibly answer the points raised against all the false claims made for a historical Jesus, instead of just brainlessly and moronically repeating the same groundless assertions over and over.
     
    #294     Sep 10, 2010
  5. jem

    jem

    A prominent exception to the hearsay rule is --

    Ancient Documents.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_jesus

    Contents
    1 New Testament writings
    1.1 Pauline Epistles
    1.2 Gospels
    1.3 The Acts of the Apostles
    2 Ancient Christian creeds
    2.1 Biblical
    2.2 Extra-biblical
    3 New Testament apocrypha
    3.1 Gnostic texts
    4 Early Church fathers
    5 Greco-Roman sources
    5.1 Josephus
    5.2 Pliny the Younger
    5.3 Tacitus
    5.4 Suetonius
    5.5 Mara bar Sarapion
    5.6 Others
    6 Jewish records
     
    #295     Sep 10, 2010
  6. ===============
    Also plenty of evidence in old testament;
    Psalms, so much they name them ''messianic Psalms''

    Plenty of evidence in Genesis, ;
    Plus Proverbs, matter of fact Jesus himself, apparently loving solomon, said behold a greater than Solomon us here, THANKS
     
    #296     Sep 11, 2010
  7. stu

    stu

    Bollocks.
    Obviously documents do not counter hearsay just because they are ancient.

    A 3,000 year Harry Potter is never going to be a historically accurrate record of actual events or people.
     
    #297     Sep 12, 2010
  8. stu

    stu

    Fictional stories and characters have no other evidence valid and verified as historical fact to back up the claims and personalities they portray. It's what makes them fictional.
    The old testament is fictional because it has no such valid historical evidence whatsoever, and there has never been any, throughout the whole of what actually is history, to confirm the claims that the thing makes. So NO THANKS.
     
    #298     Sep 12, 2010
  9. jem

    jem

    Now its Stu against statutory law.

    try reading the evidence codes, ancient documents are an exception to hearsay.

    For instance - federal rules of civil procedure...
    Rule 803.16.

    We are not talking about harry potter we are talking about scribes and their historical accounts.
     
    #299     Sep 12, 2010
  10. This from the guy who believes one can conclude something about the origin of the universe with a circular argument about a fictional teapot. :p
     
    #300     Sep 12, 2010