Beating Larry Williams record

Discussion in 'Trading' started by sabena, Mar 18, 2002.

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  1. Actually my math was off. 4pts *$50/per car = 200 not $250 but it still gets you to $1M.

    And while I'm on the subject, trading 20 cars at 5K margin per car means you would be taking an account from $100K to $1M. Some might argue that $5K/car is not enough and $10K/car is more reasonable in lowering risk of ruin.

    There is a big difference between a 10,000% return and a 400% return.
     
    #131     Mar 28, 2002
  2. jaan

    jaan

    note that there's much more to market environment than "bull, bear, sideways". every trading system out there is designed to exploit some correlation. the problem with correlations on the market is that they are not stationary -- ie they can and will change over time.

    hell, i would be a billionare by now if the correlations that my earlier systems bet on hadn't faded away over time. i'm not.

    - jaan
     
    #132     Mar 30, 2002
  3. Good luck Sabena in your quest!

    By the way, you might be interested in hearing what Linda Raschke told us in her seminar about Larry Williams.

    She said that for that particular contest, Larry's broker did not enforce the minimum margin requirements in the futures positions he was carrrying. If they had, he would not have been able to achieve those results as he would have been stopped out of his positions.

    -- ITZ
     
    #133     Mar 30, 2002
  4. Ryan Jones, author of "The Trading Game" , is the money management techniques that Larry Williams used and uses.

    Interesting stuff.
     
    #134     Mar 30, 2002
  5. Check this out from a Larry Williams message board.

    "I was originally under the impression that Larry's Championship trades were mostly lasting more than 1 day. However, in his Ultimate Trading Guide books, he states that in the first few months, most of his trades were daytrades - in which he grew his account from 10,000 to 600,000 from January to April. From his book, my impression is that he used a simple volatility breakout system as his main tool. I'll have to check this at some point, but I am most interested in this competition because it is one of the few times when a guru's results were verified"

    http://ctcr.investors.net/people/williamsforum.html
     
    #135     Mar 30, 2002
  6. sabena

    sabena

    Jaan,



    The real trick is to have techniques that
    are not correlated to market conditions,
    wether it is bull, bear, trading range, any
    market behavior.

    If you can do that, then you can ALWAYS make
    money CONSISTENTLY.
     
    #136     Mar 30, 2002
  7. sabena

    sabena

    And the trick to CONSISTENT profits is surfing
    the small waves, because there are so many
    of them.

    I believe that is also what Dave Floyd from
    www.careerdaytrader.com is doing and Robert
    Tharp told me that he has one of the best
    records he has ever seen...


    The intraday range for the S&P is about 20
    points during regular trading hours.

    With one trade each day, you CANNOT
    CONSISTENLY catch 50 % of this range.

    With 2 trades, you have more chance.

    With 3 trades, you have even more chance.

    And so on....

    Should there not be an optimal number of
    trades to be made each day, taking into
    account the cost of commission and the
    spread of .25 you have to overcome, to
    maximize the number of points to be made...?

    Yes,there is !
     
    #137     Mar 30, 2002
  8. Interesting that these guys use a quote from Ed Seykota, considering that he is strictly a longer term trader...

    Scalping theory is that you can "catch" all these waves...Everybody is competing at this level...

    Just out of curiosity Sabena...Do you even trade?
     
    #138     Mar 30, 2002
  9. I don't think Sabena could trade himself out of a baseball card convention but he sure can shovel it.
     
    #139     Mar 30, 2002
  10. sabena

    sabena

    Guys,



    I must spread around confusion to make
    the bet that will be organized worthwile
    for the few that bet on me....:0)))


    End of 2003 you guys will say to yourself,
    "That Sabena .....hmmmmmmmmmm
     
    #140     Mar 30, 2002
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