Beating Covid so fare w/o Lockdown... South Dakota

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Apr 22, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    South Dakota has the number 1 localized COVID-19 hot spot in the nation. "Of those, 934 cases were in Minnehaha County, the location of the Smithfield Foods plant, making the site one of the largest known clusters of COVID-19 cases in the U.S." Over 50% of the local cases are not meat plant workers but others in the surrounding Sioux Falls community. The individuals in the community (beyond meat plant family members) got infected because South Dakota has no "stay at home" order.

    On top of this South Dakota demonstrated that it was totally unprepared for the testing and treatment of these COVID-19 infected individuals.
     
    #21     Apr 23, 2020
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  2. jem

    jem

    Noem said a stay-at-home order wouldn't have made a difference in Sioux Falls because the plant would have remained open as part of a critical infrastructure business.

    as if... meat packing is not essential...







     
    #22     Apr 23, 2020
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    why do you keep moving the goal posts though? Has anyone even hinted at food chain not being an essential business?
     
    #23     Apr 23, 2020
  4. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    I was on one. Jesus, what's will this guy and blocking and unblocking me.

    The reality is he is addicted to the buzz of being punished and humiliated so is always posting his nonsense. So he like Jem unblocks people who will do that when he needs the release. Self harm.

    This happens to emotionally abused/underdeveloped kids. Trumpers are virtually all like this (except for the other narcissists and psychopaths). The media needs to start calling it as it is.

    To fix America these guys need to be managed.
     
    #24     Apr 23, 2020
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    A "stay at home" order would have stopped COVID-19 from spreading across the entire Sioux Falls community. Over 50% of the infected do not work at the meat plant and are not family members of meat plant workers.

    Yes, meat packing plants are essential. North Carolina is able to operate them without COVID-19 outbreaks in the meat processing plant from widely infecting the surrounding community and causing it to be a hotspot --- because our state has a "stay at home" order.
     
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    #25     Apr 23, 2020
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  6. jem

    jem

    and how do you know a stay at home order for low risk groups would have better overall results...

    what are you measuring
    how are you measuring
    are you considering the overall negatives from a shutdown
    are you factoring in... what will happen when the stay at home order is eventually lifted. (why is shutdown now better than the second wave?)

    in short... you have not way to predict what you support is better for low risk groups...

    you narrative spouters need to understand that... you have no science or data to allow you to say stay at home over returning to work is superior for low risk groups returning to work...



     
    #26     Apr 23, 2020
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    A simple and obvious observation; South Dakota has no "stay at home" order and their meat packing plant outbreak becomes the number 1 localized hot spot in the nation. North Carolina and other states have meat plant COVID-19 breakouts and none of them become localized hotspots because these states have "stay at home" orders.
     
    #27     Apr 23, 2020
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  8. jem

    jem

    so you are leading with a scary stat... but you have no science, to indicate this current situation is worse than what will happen in the future when the lockdown would be ended. (under your preferred scenario)

    I grant that high risk deaths suck... but...
    as you know i have been arguing that high risk should stay at home...
    but we have no science saying low risk groups should stay at home.

    and once again... we have no science saying your side has the superior argument.

     
    #28     Apr 23, 2020
  9. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    I actually have points to make on the virus but a Jem black hole is appearing.

    My old theory yet again, lawyers argue to stalemate, they aim to just not lose until they can pivot and repeat the slow grind. Takes more time, makes more money.

    The guy is so addicted, he is ETs number 1 poster. He has a reflux condition which could eventually lead to one of several cancers of the throat to duodenum. I don't wish this in him, just been in hospice volunteering etc. long enough to be concerned. He will have been told time and again by docs and family to lay off the stress but he is not strong enough to leave the keyboard.

    And he did for a while but he is back.

    For many this is just blowing off steam like in a bar, being an asshole. Others..

    Maybe time to do the round up myself soon. I barely even trade anymore, retired.
     
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    #29     Apr 23, 2020
  10. jem

    jem

    everything Bugen said is bullshit... created off a post I made about my dad's trading. I mentioned he probably died of a reflux related esophageal cancer situation aggravated by his trading... but he did make millions doing it. i said I felt reflux a few times in the past...

    I don't have reflux... I said I felt it a few times and that was years ago. Basically I learned to not eat pepperoni pizza before mountain bike riding... or drink tons of soda on an empty stomach. Might not have even been reflux.


    I am in the best shape of my life.. since my early twenties. Bugenhagen made all that shit up. I don't have a doctor because i have no health issues. I workout once to twice a day.

    4. And I am not arguing for a standstill. I am saying its fucking insane to keep us in a blanket shutdown when there is no science showing low risk groups should not be allowed to work out, at least on a temporary basis.

    I have said from day 1 the models Fauci was using were guesses. I said the data was shit... so the models were shit.

    What more of a stand could one want?
    I called out the expert for having shit models based on shit data.

    I said a blanket shut down for healthy low risk people should have ended absent science and stats saying it would improve overall results.

    that is taking a stand.
     
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    #30     Apr 23, 2020