BBG - Traders Beware: The `VIX Elephant' Is Due to Stampede the Market

Discussion in 'Options' started by truetype, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. As they say: the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay liquid.
     
    #11     Nov 21, 2017
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  2. That would make a little more sense since the short put credit covers the cost of the ratio spread and I could see a settlement between 12 and 16 leading to a nice profit.
     
    #12     Nov 21, 2017
  3. sle

    sle

    Again, I cannot remember exactly, but it was small credit as compared to risk. Based on the sell side color I got, it’s a large real money player (SWF, by the looks of it) hedging his book of equity.
     
    #13     Nov 21, 2017
  4. gkishot

    gkishot

    What VIX spike? The guy bought VIX puts & is betting on VIX to go down.
     
    #14     Nov 21, 2017
  5. I believe @sle is correct and it was a put sold to further finance the call ratio spread and also because the risk of Dec VIX settling below 11 seemed small given past history. The trade makes money if VX goes sideways with small downside move at worst or moves higher.
     
    #15     Nov 21, 2017
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I thought it was an insurance company out of the U.K.
     
    #16     Nov 21, 2017
  7. You might be thinking of Ruffer, the famous "Mr Fiddy"... I don't think he's the guy behind this concoction.

    And it was definitely a short put vs a 1x2 call spread, 12, 15 and 25 strikes respectively. The initial credit was smth like $5 - $6 bucks. I'm not sure how much it cost to roll last time.
     
    #17     Nov 21, 2017
  8. That seems like too high a credit estimation. 15-25 Call ratio spread is not going to be put on for a net credit but rather a debit since the 25 strike is waaaay OTM. Selling the 12 PUT will get you 1.20 to 2.00 at most since futures do perceive a VIX set floor at about 10ish. I doubt the initial credit was more than $1.50-$1.75.
     
    #18     Nov 21, 2017
  9. I meant cumulative prem received was arnd $5 - 6mm...
     
    #19     Nov 21, 2017
  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Yeah. I confused the two.
     
    #20     Nov 22, 2017